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Originally Posted by 2000AD  The annoying players are those that lie around the half way mark that want to win, but will call any tactic they don't like 'cheap', 'cheasy', 'beardy' or whatever word they want to use. They'll moan and whine about how they only lost because the opponent was cheap and how they didn't play to the spirit of their army, but what they can't accept is that, more often than not, the player that plays to win is often the better player. |
Cant agree with this one, i think the annoying players are the ones that slap down half their points in a single model and brag about how great they are at playing warhammer, these are what i call the MDTG players. Now i dont pretend that players dont call cheese whenever a unit is used they dont like because these people do exsist, i know i guy i used to play did this regularly, i think a best time was when my exalted daemon was called cheesy because it was a flying terror causer (i was playing TK..) yet in another game the guy turns up another time with totally tailored skaven list (at his omission). This guy really was a waac player, so this in my experience it was never the middle group that caused the problems, it was always the top, its a rare thing for me to call beard these days, i just make a note not to play people that share my views on the game.
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Warhammer is a game. It knows no defination of fair or unfair, cheesy or uncheesy, beyond the one simple black or white boundary:
Obeying the rules or breaking the Rules.
As long as the rules are obeyed then anything goes. The person playing to win will use any means necessary as long as it falls within the rules of the game. The person who cries cheesy builds his own set of rules on top of that and limits what he can do.
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This is usually something said by a person who confuses warhammer with Yahtzee, these players will want rules of social behavior obeyed yet are these really rules in warhammer? Of course! are they written, of course not, really isnt WAAC just a form of bad social behaviour?
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Chances are a few months later a tactic that was once called cheesy will be easy to beat, but the player who declared it cheesy will still lose to it because rather than try and think of a way to counter it he just called it 'cheap' and tried to take some percieved morale high ground. Meanwhile the players playing to win have probably found more strategies that take the game to a higher level, beyond the old tactic, and which will no doubt still elicit calls of 'cheesy' from the so called 'non-beardy' players.
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Do not WAAC players do the same, do they not claim they have the moral high ground because it dosnt say you cant do this? Really as i said with social behavoiur within a game isnt this just something that players expect from a game. Really people only obey the social code that suits them, isnt this really the bottom line.
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One group of players are constantly learning and improving, another is stagnent and makes excuses for why it loses.
Which are really the better players?
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This is just arrogance at its height, the problem here is that it sets one player better than the other, clearly one is not better than the other and really this type of attitude is what creates half the problems. For personally i found WAAC abit like perberty, some people just finish before others.
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If you want to play just to have fun then you're going to have to do one of 2 things:
- Find other people like yourself and play them.
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- Accept that if you play someone who plays to win then you'll probably lose. Don't whine about beardyness, just try and have fun, even if you're getting massacred.
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The thing is that warhammer isnt a spot, it is just a game, i cant think of games such as risk that are ever taken as seriously as warhammer. Now i personally hate 40k but this is a example or truth growth of WAAC players, i have two dwarf gunline players in my local GW, no the funny thing is they both player 40k which they claim is more tactical, one uses a Imperial guard tank company, one uses a orc army with lots of tanks, i dont know about you but i dont see the growth in playing style. Perhaps the problem is that so many people dont get fanatsy and play it likes its 40k?