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Moglun · July 9th, 2008, 22:02

Those are some crazy long posts! I'll try one too.

I don't think anyone can declare something like "Everyone who plays WAAC is a jerk!" or "People who don't play the best list they possibly can are morons!". Merit comes from the person, not the playstyle.

Having said that, my experience is that cries of cheese/beardiness are usually unwarranted. The individuals making these accusations are angry because an opponent's model/unit/item/spell/tactic/army composition/combination thereof helps them lose the game, and they don't believe it is fair. But why do they care? If they are truly 'playing for fun', what does it matter whether the Skaven list is hard to beat? I understand that playing a game where your forces are wiped out by turn 3 is frustrating, but I find it impossible to believe that experiences like this can be blamed solely on a supposedly cheesy enemy army. Luck, compatibility between armies, and other such factors will also strongly influence how the game plays out.

Some people like to make lists which characterful but may be weak. There is nothing wrong with this! However, just as it is not the place of the so-called WAAC player to deride someone for making a list like this, it is also not their place to attack the WAAC for playing to win. There is no moral high ground for either side. Personally, I have never had an objection to a legal list that I've played; the harder the list, the greater the challenge, and the more there is to learn!

Finally, I think the term 'WAAC' is insulting. I could be lumped into the group of people that this is being applied to, but I certainly don't try to win at ANY cost - for example, I would never use weighted dice, I will remind my opponent when they forgot advantages, and otherwise play as fairly as I can. But I still play to win, be it Warhammer, Risk, Starcraft, football, or whathaveyou, because that is how I enjoy the game. Whether I win or lose in the end, I want to give it my all. How does anyone have the right to tell me, or anyone like me, that we should not try our best?

July 9th, 2008, 22:02	#27 (permalink)
Moglun Fun guy from Yuggoth Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Winnipeg Age: 26 Posts: 759 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 54	Those are some crazy long posts! I'll try one too. I don't think anyone can declare something like "Everyone who plays WAAC is a jerk!" or "People who don't play the best list they possibly can are morons!". Merit comes from the person, not the playstyle. Having said that, my experience is that cries of cheese/beardiness are usually unwarranted. The individuals making these accusations are angry because an opponent's model/unit/item/spell/tactic/army composition/combination thereof helps them lose the game, and they don't believe it is fair. But why do they care? If they are truly 'playing for fun', what does it matter whether the Skaven list is hard to beat? I understand that playing a game where your forces are wiped out by turn 3 is frustrating, but I find it impossible to believe that experiences like this can be blamed solely on a supposedly cheesy enemy army. Luck, compatibility between armies, and other such factors will also strongly influence how the game plays out. Some people like to make lists which characterful but may be weak. There is nothing wrong with this! However, just as it is not the place of the so-called WAAC player to deride someone for making a list like this, it is also not their place to attack the WAAC for playing to win. There is no moral high ground for either side. Personally, I have never had an objection to a legal list that I've played; the harder the list, the greater the challenge, and the more there is to learn! Finally, I think the term 'WAAC' is insulting. I could be lumped into the group of people that this is being applied to, but I certainly don't try to win at ANY cost - for example, I would never use weighted dice, I will remind my opponent when they forgot advantages, and otherwise play as fairly as I can. But I still play to win, be it Warhammer, Risk, Starcraft, football, or whathaveyou, because that is how I enjoy the game. Whether I win or lose in the end, I want to give it my all. How does anyone have the right to tell me, or anyone like me, that we should not try our best? __________________ Put the box on the table by the window in the kitchen.