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I can't decide which army to build as my main army. Necrons were my initial decision but as i have been saving up the money for my army i began to double think my decision so now i've been thinking about some of the other armies that strike my interest aswell: dark eldar and tau.
i've been planning on getting the necron phalanx box and playing necrons because i think they're pretty dang cool being souless undead skeletons hellbent on extermination i also currently have:
2 flayed ones
18 warriors(been planning on converting 6 to 3 immortals and 3 flayed ones)
5 or so scarab bases
cheap old lord i converted from the egyptian period necrons
somewhere between 10-15 same old period mixture of metal warriors/immortals/scarabs
but, the new rules rumors for necrons i'm really not fond of and i'm scared that they'll become true with the new codex and i'll regret buying all of this necron stuff. also i feel like, as most people say, the necrons will become boring in the long run because they dont have a lot of variety and most games will start to play the same
Dark eldar really interest me because i like the reckless play style. I like the idea of having to rush in and hit hard or lay in wait and strike fiercly or else be dominated. it seems like a fun challange. i also think the models just look soo cool(lots of sharp angles).
unfortunatly i've proxied some DE games and i havent been very good at. pretty much got my but kicked. also with an equal number of rumors on new DE stuff i'd hate to spend my money on old models and learning old rules when shiny new models are right around the corner.
I've yet to proxy any games for tau because i'm still trying to borrow a codex from someone but, i really like the idea of a strong fire line. i'm generally pretty good with setting up flanking moves and covering areas of the board which is why tau might adhere to my tactical skills. Also, they seem really simple to start: buy 2 battle forces and get a more specialized HQ rather than the command suits in the battleforces. this appeals to me because after so much deliberation i kind of just want to buy a big box(in this case 2) and be done with it
on the flipside i dont want to make myself "settle" for tau just because they're easy to start. im not really that awestruck by the models, they remind me a little of the protoss from starcraft but the models dont really make me say "oh man!" like the necrons initially did and the DE are doing to me now. very similarly they dont strike me as something i really want to paint very badly but they do have some very wide flat areas for some nice blending and/or highlighting
Space Marines: borefest
Black templar: the only sub SM that interests me and i'm already building up a BT army out of ebay junk from time to time, this is more of a painting endeavor because i like the paint scheme
Other SM: nope
Ork: im so sick of orcs in everything
Tyranid: not into hoardes otherwise cool, just not my style
IG: too much army/WW2 stuff, boring
DH/WH: too specialized and SMish, not for me
Chaos marines: borefest #2
Chaos Demons: really interested but feel like it would be a poor first army and i feel like i would rather go another route.
Eldar: GF plays them, would rather not build same army
Really i've thought it over so much I can't even look at it subjectivly anymore. Please give me your input and opinions, any and all appreciated!
Last edited by Kelter Skelter; August 30th, 2009 at 22:52.
Funnily all three armies you picked, will probaly gey an update at some point, I would wait a bit before u buy.
If Slaanesh is the god of the Perverse, why does Nurgle have all the filth?
the Dark Elder are not an ez army to play it will take time be for you get the hang of them if that's the way you want to go. Running in as fast as you can will kill this army and you will not be happy with it It take time and finesse to play with dark side of the Elder but when you get there its a grate army.
the Tau is a long rang army. you suck in the assault but have the best guns in the game.
sadly i do not know much about Necrons. the army's you listed are sum of the hardest ones to play so remember to be patient with you army as you learn how they play.
Necron Phalanx is a fantastic boxed set and currently the cheapest way to get a full army. The Phalanx box alone contains just over 1,500 points worth. It's a steal and quite an effective army list to boot. Join us! Joooiiiiin uuussss...
Since this post I now have majority Black Templars and smaller forces of DE and Necron. Rather then buying all out I built all 3 forces through random unit cheap ebay purchases then with the rest of my cash I bought a SM battleforce and a BT upgrade box then a bunch of monsterpocalypse and last night on earth stuff.
GW had just discontinud the Phalanx box after I posted this and didn't bother looking around, for it also had so many warriors and it was immortals and stuff I needed and rather than focusing on converting so heavily I switched my attention to my Black Templar.
Also, like major moss said the problem was all of the armies I wanted to play are kind of old and need and update pretty bad hence why I kind of just fizzled out and expanded all 3 at the same time but at smaller point values then bought some non-warhammer stuff to take my attention away from WH for a while.
I even toyed with getting into Tyranid for a while and after much deliberation I decided I would play them but, then I went to order the codex and battleforce and GW told me it was unavailible! I was so tormented. It sucked. Then rumors came out that they were getting an update... eventually.
I still don't feel very satisfied even though I do like my Black Templars. Everything I want to play including the Templars are just so old and games are really uphill battles against any slightly newer codex. I just don't feel as personally invested in the armies right now as I did when I first started warhammer and bought my initial necron stuff.. before I knew how difficult it was to survive a game with them.
It's hard to not get demotivated when my GF who sucks at anything military, tactical or competitve(not that she shouldn't be i'm just saying) can nearly wipe the floor with me with her eldar when i'm playing my Necrons and i consider myself pretty tactically sound especially considering everything she knows about the game she gets from me.
Goddamn you GW for taking all of the fun out of your own damn game!
There was a point where I almost switched to Warmachine when I saw they released the new rulebook for free. We still might switch to Warmachine around christmas time when money can stop being spent on bills and on fun stuff again.
Warmachine is certainly a fun game, but it can get quite expensive when playing larger battles as there are plastic models. Nowhere near GW prices though. £30-£40 for a small skirmish force is pretty usual.
Anyway. There's nothing stopping you using the Space Marine Codex for your Black Templars. There aren't some of the fluffier elements (Neophyte and Initiate mixed squads, Sword Brethren, Emperor's Champion) but at least you have the choice of using a newer ruleset if you wish. Dark Eldar and Necrons don't have that option!
But at the same time, Black Templars have some great rules. Terminator Squads with Furious Charge or Tank Hunters? Yes please!
Lightning claw terminators with preferred enemy and furious charge kill almost anything, it's awesome
I'm just building all 3 armies now. I don't spend much on necron unless it's a good deal because they're hardly playable at the moment. For my DE I also only buy stuff when I see it cheap because of the new models coming soon(read: eventually in the next 10 years).
I've tried building my BT lists using the standard codex and the new space wolves codex. For as many good things as you get using those codiceis you also miss out on stuff like preffered enemy and bp+ccw marines. It's really give and take so I'm sticking with the BT codex.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again, when starting your first 40k army, you should start with one of these armies:
It has nothing to do with power, but balance. These armies each have a little bit of everything, and all must rely on a bit of everything in order to be effective. I say you should start with one of these armies not because they're the best, but because it'll give you the most well rounded gaming experience, showing you how to play every aspect of the game, and give you the best idea of what your opponent is planning.
Don't like it? Then play what you like, but you should expect to lose a lot at first, not because your army/list is underpowered, but because you'll have a much harder time learning every aspect of the game.
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I hated all of those armies when I was first starting. It was important for me to have an army whose fluff and models I was really into. Unfortunately it was all of the most outdated armies.
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