Would you ever allow this?

[Allonairre]

Without an actual picture of the board I am not sure. From a rules perspective you are right, he stuffed it up, its a mishap. I also agree that when he started to place the other minis he had made his decision.

For the sake of the game maybe I would be ok with it, depends on opponent and state of the game. I would try and say before he put down the second mini that he was stuck with his choice. it seems that this arose because you didn't ask about his initial placement being risky. Had you said something sooner his partner may have corrected his error sooner. In practice this is impossible, but I often find its better to state your intentions with grey areas, and agree before the move is complete, especially with LOS issues.

[pilot00]

I really believe you treat people the way they treated you first.

Quoted for truth and you just answered your topics question IMHO.

[pinky_si]

The people I play with for the most part are zealots when it comes to mishaps. Measuring to the last millimeter to see if they can call me on a mishap in the chance it destroys your unit. I've had some people, after discussing all terrain at the beginning of the game, try to tell me I landed in impassable terrain when I landed in declared difficult terrain in hopes of a mishap. I really believe you treat people the way they treated you first.

I think therein lies your problem - with that sort of atmosphere, you're not playing in a friendly at all.

If you'll forgive some of those things but not others, where do you draw the line and why? In your example there's no difference between the guard player not following the proper turn sequence and the player wanting to re-target after measuring range if, say, the order allows the 3 Lascannons to hit a unit they would otherwise have missed...

My personal philosophy (and bear in mind that I 80% of the time play against good friends, the rest against random pick-ups at a LGS or GW) is to be forgiving to all mistakes, questionably cocked dice, 1/16th of an inch between assault or not type situations in my opponents favour. 99% of the time, my opponents will return the favour (or the dice gods will bless the reroll), and karma will balance things out.

If they keep making the same mistake, it is usually enough to allow the first instance during a game, along with a reminder of how it should happen, and then to pick them up on further errors of the same type. I remind my opponents if they've forgotten to shoot a unit or use a special rule (provided I notice in time too), I tell them when I've forgotten to do something, or made a mistake myself, if there's an unresolvable question, even if the resolution will go badly for me, I'll submit it to the whim of a d6, in short I try to be the paragon of sportsmanship. Even with all this, I still win or draw a pretty high percentage of my games and I always have fun playing.

[andrewbeater]

Sometimes you get really friendly games and sometimes not so, it depends on the person. Keep in mind this Eldar player is not usually very friendly or forgiving. He spent the night being wrong on almost everything he complained about. He is the guy who measured my Pink Horrors to a millimeter to say they mishapped in an aggressive manner in a previous game. I just think it is different when someone finds out he has a 33% chance of losing a unit that is expensive and tries to back out of it. If it was friendly, he should have just rolled the mishap like the rules says to. Look, I always want a friendly game. If you ask our gaming group who is the most forgiving player, it has to be me. My son always tells me I'm too damn agreeable. But there comes a time when you feel that people are taking advantage of my good nature and that's where I draw the line. This is one of those times. I may have to walk away from 40k for a while.

[pinky_si]

I may have to walk away from 40k for a while.

Or just don't play that player again for a while/ever. Don't quit the hobby over one player or game.

If he asks why you won't play him, explain politely that his play style and criticisms/complaining/taking advantage/whatever don't make the game enjoyable for you and that you're there to have fun. If it suits you, explain to him which particular aspects of his play grate on you, and how he could adapt to make games more fun for his opponents. Constructive criticism is the key here...

[Fantasticmrfox]

I would be pretty annoyed at this as like others have said - it seems a bit cheeky to me.

I think (as someone said above) it comes down to three things:

1. What type of game is it? Tournament? then no way jose! Friendly Friday evening with a mate? Be a gracious and let the guy off (the first time he pulls the stunt - not again).

2. What type of opponent is he? A fun guy/good mate etc? then let him get away with it. A rules-donkey? Then again, no-way sonny boy - it's a mishap and tough-titty!

3. Is he a regular stunt-puller? If so mishap him till he bleeds - 'cos he's taking the p. If it's a one-off, be a good sport and let it go.

It's down to common sense really. But don't forget, if you let is pass and make a mistake later yourself, then he owes you a little leeway too.

[andrewbeater]

I would be pretty annoyed at this as like others have said - it seems a bit cheeky to me.

I think (as someone said above) it comes down to three things:

1. What type of game is it? Tournament? then no way jose! Friendly Friday evening with a mate? Be a gracious and let the guy off (the first time he pulls the stunt - not again).

2. What type of opponent is he? A fun guy/good mate etc? then let him get away with it. A rules-donkey? Then again, no-way sonny boy - it's a mishap and tough-titty!

3. Is he a regular stunt-puller? If so mishap him till he bleeds - 'cos he's taking the p. If it's a one-off, be a good sport and let it go.

It's down to common sense really. But don't forget, if you let is pass and make a mistake later yourself, then he owes you a little leeway too.

100% right on. The guy gets mad every time he is wrong. He questioned the rules and when we would show him he was wrong, he'd make some comment like the rules were off base or something. He never lets me away with a close deep strike EVER when I play Daemons. During our apocalypse game in which I judged, he exploded on me about a ruling even though I was found out to be 100% right by both he rules and the back up judge. In that game, a Stormraven came off the table edge behind his Warhound Titan. The base of the Stormraven was well away from the Hellhound, but the tip of the wing touched the Hound. The complaint was, since the model touches his, he shouldn't be allowed to put it there. Wrong. it matters about where the bases are and that they do not come within an inch of each other. He kept complaining the whole game. He has exploded in a game at my house about something stupid. The list goes on and on.
When I say I may have to walk away for a while, it's because I'm frustrated by the antics of most of my opponents. There are only a couple of people I know whom I could have a truly friendly game.

[pilot00]

Clearly the person you speak off,is a jerk.No rational man would behave like that,especially on someone elses house.
The best thing you can do with irrational people is to ignore them.As stated above refuse to play him again and if he presses tell him your reasons calmly.From what i gather you have a difficult gaming group but dont let that turn you down from your recreational post time.

[Fantasticmrfox]

There are only a couple of people I know whom I could have a truly friendly game.

well you can add me to that list buddy - although canada is a little far to go for a game of 40k!

Like pilot00 says - please don't let guys like that come between you and your love of the game/hobby. I don't.

[Allonairre]

Its really unfortunate how often people can wreck otherwise fun and entertaining things to do.

To paraphrase, I feel your pain and people suck.