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being accused of being "beardy" (or "cheesy" as our american cousins call it) is just about the worst insult to any wargamer. But is it ever a justified, or is it just sour grapes? What is "beardiness"? and no "I can't explain it but i know it when i see it" crap, i want a proper, dictionary-style definiton, if there is one. i think calling something beardy is just a way of taking out powerful things from the game so you don't have to get good at tactics to defeat them.
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Major abuse of rules or army lists above and beyond required for a fun game. Note that it does depend on the type of game being played, a list that may be beardy in a friendly game is often perfectly allowable in a tournament. Examples include the 1000 point list containing a LRCrusader, chaplain in termie armour and 6 termies. In campaigns I also include lists which, though legal are greatly at odds with the fluff of the army.
That is my definition.
fluff is important, but it is not "major abuse" of an amry list having 6 termies and a crusader in a 100pt list. every army has a weakness. in this case. a vindicator or two.
anyway, you could have a list like that and still be fluffy. say, it was part of a much larger force which suffered a bad defeat? every army has a weakness, and in a tournament, any half-decent play would keep his army well away from those 7 termies and just carryon with the objective, taking the odd pot-shot ith a lascannon at the land raider, and put a few conscipt-esque squads to get in the way. remember, not all objectives are "kill the bastards", and they're often quite boring games if you're not trying to get anything except a decent kil ratio.
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I think Beardy or Cheesyness is basically when you think up an army list that looks nothing like the army is supposed to look like in relation to the fluff.
For example, could you ever justify the 3 Wraithlord 500pt army?
"My fluff..........er well my Eldar forgot to bring their guardians and all that other stuff they use, and just happened to send 3 of the incredibly rare Wraithlords, accompanied by their Farseer....who has the minimum amount spent on wargear............because he's doesn't bother. Even though he has 3 Wraithlords to call upon. But no troops to go with that."
See what I'm saying?
My disagreement with this list has nothing to do with fluffiness. It is simply because someone has chosen units which he/she deems "uber" in some way, and which are much too expensive for a balanced list at that points cost.Originally Posted by Wolf Lord Herby
Note that when I refer to a balanced list, I do not mean it in terms of shooty/punchy, but in terms of HQ/EL/TR/FA/HS percentages.
I play AC so I get the pointy finger and the screams of "CHEESE! THAT IS TOTAL CHEESE!" all of the time. Usually people call cheese because they see a bunch of tanks and think it is an impossible list to beat. Which, if anybody plays AC you know the things we fear.
People that just want to bash two armies at each other in a frontal assault with no maneuver or tactical thought seem to be the people calling cheese most of the time.
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"Cheese" is when something gives a player an unfair advantage.
A very vast majority of the time, someone claims your army is "cheese" because they are angry and losing and they want an excuse other than thy actually lost. Basically: sore losers.
A tiny amount of time, something is cheesy. The only unit that might be actually cheesy is the wraithlord, and only if playing against a non-Imperium armies. Imperium armies (Space Marines, Imperial Guard, etc.) have enought weapons to kil anything. Tau, Necrons, and Dark Eldar on the other hand, will have trouble.
Hope tht helps.
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my point is, does it say anywhere in the BGB that you must make fluffy armies? It is only other players that force this on us, which limit army lists so that "oh you can't have that, it's not fluffy" why does it not say this in the codex? in the 10,000 years that the space marines have been fighting, have they never once had a battle where there was only a few scouts and alot of termies in? Why does GW allow non-fluffy lists, if it's not fluffy? there have been a few times when armies in WD have not been fluffy(e.g. Space Wolves armies with about 20 blood claws and the bare minimum 6 Grey Hunters. that's not fluffy, a normal SW army has about a 3:1 ratio of GH to BC), does this mean the GW staff don't know how to play the game properly?
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cheesy and beardy are different IMO. Chessy is something that it model related, that gives the player an unfair advantage, with little fluff justification.
Beardy it is cheesy only rule related. such as seeing the banner pole of a sergent behind a hill, and claiming that u can shoot at him.
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Cheese is a term thrown around by people whenever they run into a situation they can't account for, or an army option they themselves can't do, and on the rare occassion it descibes choices made by one player to unfairly affect the outcome of the game resulting in a loss of enjoyment. It's important to remember that type 3 cheese is, most of the time, completely legal; just quite unspotsman like.
A list of things that people say are cheesy but are not include:
Iron Warriors with numerous Oblits
Iron Warriors with numerous tanks
Iron Warriors with both
Night Lords with numerous Raptors
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