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every tournament all i hear is cheese cheese thats so cheesy
so my friends, for each race WHAt do u consider cheesy
Here it is from a DE players view
SM: ASScannon drop force
CSM: demon bomb
Tau: mech tau
necron: res orb +phylacteries
eldar: saim hann "cheesecannon" army
tyranids: monstrous creature army in small battles, 100000 man march in large ones
dark eldar: WWP army
orks: nothing, since they are sooo hit and miss
kroot mercs: 1st turn charge wipeout army
IG: armoured company
how bout u guys
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As far as I can tell, if you beat your opponent then it's cheesy.
If you do something he wasn't expecting then it's cheesy
If you have a unit which can destroy one unit he was basing his game around it's cheesy.
The only place i think things are really cheesy are in small games when the FOC is abused and breakable. Wraithlords in Eldar, 2 Defilers in Chaos etc etc.
In anything bigger than that, as long as it's FOC legal, i think the only cheesy thing is the bad loser screaming 'cheese' because they're socially inept and don't know how to loose with style.
Like me, I'm a loser. And i'm proud.
The only thing I find cheesy, is twisting the rules. Otherwise, it's all fairplay to me.
Hear hear. Cheese only comes from being an idiot who thinks 'rolling' wasn't defined properly and so "It's perfectly legal for me to just put the D6 down with the side I want facing up." Or "My Terminator Sergeant is taking a Chainfist, Storm Bolter, Power weapon, & Combi-plasma because the armoury says I can take 2 extra weapons."
When the opponent starts sooking like the crybaby they are, I whip out the old swiss cheese nibbleys and say, "you called for it?".
I'm not one to ask for that either, if it's fielded, I'll play it with a grin.
Post your army lists in the ARMY LIST section! Not that hard!
teleporting out of cc w/ necrons is cheese sos daemon bomb and space marine drops. of course there are better armies than others. dont believe me? go use vanilla orks then lol.
They're not cheesey tactics at all. They're totally valid tactics, and if you can't deal with them then you should consider getting more experience or playing a different game.Originally Posted by sisterray
I say with 100% confidence that an experienced ork player will know, not only how to deal with these tactics but to go forward and crush the remnants of any such army.
Deal with it.
walking orks get obliterated by shooter armies. speed freaks are better. (ironically walking orks beat a daemon bomb army so its more like an unbalanced rock paper scissors) with this said, the definition of cheese is an army that wins most matchups except for two to four as opposed to fifty-fifty. if someone is so called inexperienced for not knowing how to deal with this then isnt it equally true that if an EXPERIENCED player uses a cheese army he would wreck havoc?
Since when? Does that mean that my balanced Alpha legion army, which I've been winning most battles with (certainly over 50/50) is cheesy? I can give you the link for the list, there's nothing cheesey about it!Originally Posted by sisterrayExaclty. You've nailed it on the head. The danger of relying on a 'gimmick' is that it's entirely situational and you may as well pay 'janken' because that's all you've done to the game.walking orks get obliterated by shooter armies. speed freaks are better. (ironically walking orks beat a daemon bomb army so its more like an unbalanced rock paper scissors)
I don't agree that the above said tactics are 'cheesey' as such, BUT i do very much agree with you that when these tactics might not much fun to play against.
With regards to an expert using these armies, that's a different kettle of fish. The expert army may have a daemon bomb element to it, but the chances are that it's capable of holding it's own without relying purely on the daemon bomb. That's a scary though because he could bomb you, OR he could do something totally different.
3 Monolith wall with constantl teleportation is pretty cheesy... but far more defeatable than other tactics used. Personally i wouldn't call cheese on monos just because I have meltas and, if I'm lucky, lance strikes. But armies lacking in anti-vehicle weaponry will definetly have something to sob about, and for the record, orb + phylactrey is perfectly valid and not even an ounce cheesy. That's like you calling me cheesy for giving a canonness her 2+ armor save and using the AoF to make it invunerable for a turn. "Gasp, two combined into one effect? What cheese!"
Every whisper of the future from the Warp speaks of a hundred battles lost, a thousand lives devoured and a million enemies born. -- Inquisitor Lord Babel
Cheese is spoiled milk. When somone milks the rules until the spirit is gone, then he gets cheese. Cheese means abusing the rules. It's not all about your army composition, it's about your playing style. when you try to win not by outsmarting your opponent with your tactics but by clubbing him to oblivion with your rulebook, or sink him in the loopholes you 've found, then you smell of ripe cheddar.
likewise, people who start complaining about cheesy tactics/armies/whatnot often are rather selfconcious and not capable of handling setbacks that well. go figure.
Not in my game you won't!!