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The scenario: a Smurfy force from Chapter A comes across a small but potentially very colony-friendly planet whilst Crusading about the place and decides to conquer it for The Emperor (the planet and the reason they're there isn't really important to the query). Whilst there they find themselves at the bottom of a deep glacial fissure, and in this remote location they find the 'body' of a Marine from Chapter B. The Marine isn't actually dead; he came to the planet at some earlier point in time as part of operations conducted by Chapter B and fell through the ice, hit the bottom and was badly injured, his biological implants kicking in to put him in suspended animation while he healed up. For some reason (the presence of myriad gribbly baddies for which Chapter B were entirely underprepared, perhaps) the random Marine's Brothers were unable to retrieve him at the time and, worse still, in the intervening years since Brother Clumsy fell down and his discovery by Chapter A's Marines, Chapter B has been utterly destroyed (in a suitably tragic hero last stand sort of fashion). Neither Chapter A nor Brother Clumsy are aware of this destruction, so Chapter A's Brother-Captain determines to rescue Brother Clumsy from his predicament and return him to his rightful fold as soon as possible.
The problem is that the same gribbly baddies that drove off Chapter B are still present upon the planet and Chapter A are struggling just as badly as Chapter B did. The fissure-delving chaps and their new charge somehow become cut off from their orbital relay station and end up having to footslog back across many miles of barren wastes beset from all sides by the gribbly baddies. During the slog Brother Clumsy actually turns out not to be clumsy at all; he is, in fact, quite the hero, a paragon of Marine-itude possessed of immense personal courage, massive charisma, matchless martial skill, and an unshakeable faith in The Emperor who distinguishes himself on many occasions with feats of melee combat greatness and inspirational leadership. Had he not taken his fateful tumble he'd probably be a Chaplain by now (well, a dead Chaplain...), that's how super-dee-dooper he is. Eventually Brother Clumsy and his new friends get back to the orbital relay station, head on back up to Chapter A's battle-barge, and upon arrival subsequently discover Chapter B's fate. Obviously Brother Clumsy is distraught by his Brothers' deaths, however the blow is softened when, because of his sheer fantastic-ness, Chapter A decide to adopt him as one of their own. Brother Clumsy accepts, taking to his new role as some sort of battlefield trainer/ mini-Chaplain with ease, though he does so wearing the power armour of his old Chapter still painted with their badge and colours (out of respect and also so as not to annoy the machine spirit), though he does add his new Chapter's bade to the knee-pad out of repsect for the Chapter that took him in.
Would this happen? Given the whole rivalries and what-have-you, the biological treatments Smurfs need in order to survive, geneseed and all the rest of it, is it feasible?
this is very feasible assuming neither chapter has any gene-variance. UltraMarines would not be able to accept a Blood Angel in this situation, because of the genetic variance apparent in the Blood Angel. However, if the UltraMarines found another marine from an Ultramarine successor, there would be no trouble.
So, Chapter A and B would have to be descended of common Chapter C.
Furthermore, there would be the whole trouble of indoctrination. It's not a good idea to have a leaser within your chapter who favors CC, when the chapter typically only fields long-range weapons. Again, successor chapter's rarely have radically different views, and will favor variations of their parent's style.
Lastly, Brother Clumsy is the last man standing, and apparently quite amazing. It's more likely that he would be recruited into Deathwatch or something, or picked up by an Inquisitor after Chapter A saves him.
So, yes- it's feasible that he could be recruited. There are reasons that it could be done, but it is far more likely that the chapter will just thank him for the help and send him on his way. What'd be really cool is if he takes charge of Chapter A, kills off the baddies in a horrible and costly war that leaves Chapter A also on the verge of destruction. But he takes the remnants of Chapter A and begins to create Chapter C with this planet as it's homeworld.
Or what could be cool, is since he carries the last of his chapters gene seed, they use him as the template to recreate Chapter B and start it afresh.
If you win games against Nids with flamers (aside from the Inferno Cannon on a Hellhound), you're playing against opponents with stupidity of impressive magnitude.
Thanks for the replies
No, recreating the chapter would not make him a primarch. It would make him a chapter master. Primarchs were the few original marines who's unique geneseed founded first their legions, and then any successor chapter to follow. Rogal Dorn is a primarch, however Sarpedon, who leads a successor chapter that was rebuilt- is only a chapter master.
All you would have to do is pick a chapter, say that they created a successor, and that the successor was then destroyed to Bro. Clumsy and he is rebuilding it.
Mathematically it would only take 50 years or something like that to field a full strength chapter again- assuming that every time you kill a marine you make two more, and then kill them. But in reality- rebuilding a chapter takes many many years.
Doing that would run along the lines of a DIY chapter. You'd need fluff, and you'd be expected to play up to it. So your new chapter better not have any dreadnaughts, and depending on their status within the empire they might not have access to some of the other cool equipment.
My chapter has a Bro. Clumsy feel about it, as they were stranded and left for dead during the heresy, and discovered still alive during a Templar Crusade. However my chapter maintains a fragile alliance with the empire because they weren't aware of the outcome of the heresy or life afterwards, and therefore question the emperor's divinity.
This is totally a really cool idea, and I'm throwing my full support behind it. It has a Pitch Black/Alien kind of "escape from the infested death world" theme.
The only problem I can see with Chapter A accepting Brother Clumsy is that they probably wouldn't use his geneseed. Instead, upon his death, they could go out to the battlefield, recover his body, and then make a shrine to his fallen Chapter and bury the geneseed there in honour of his fallen brethren.
The prospect of recreating the entirety of Chapter B from Brother Clumsy's geneseed is possible, but it would involve killing Brother Clumsy to get his secondary progenoid out. And it would take about nine hundred years. And there's always the chance that Brother Clumsy's geneseed is wrecked from such a long hibernation period or that the body they implant it with rejects the organ and dies.
But if Chapter A is particularly warm towards Brother Clumsy and he really is a super-duper guy, then it's entirely plausible. It's actually quite cool.
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I love the idea for some inter-chapter/legion cooporation, in essence it's what I try to integrate in my story with the Dusk Phantoms and the Word Bearers. Also, I'm quite happy to hear about a Blood Angel above all being accepted, despite their Blood Haze thing or whatever it's called.
that's an awesome Idea!
but you know what would make it better?
if Brother clumsy was put into that deathtrap before the heresy (let's say he's an Iron warrior) and when he awoken, he had no clue his chapter was turned to chaos and chapter B. never seen an Iron warrior
and then all that stuff you said after they found him
that way you confuse everyone with you guy who not only should be dead, but should be a chaosy guy
*uses this idea to create librarian*
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Hmm.. Interesting idea.
I don't think the Sus'an membrane works that effectively though. Reanimating long 'dead' space marines is apparently quite risky, so having him 10,000 years old or something might be a little much.
It did recently cross my mind, however, that the Imperium has stasis fields which can suspend a person in a timeless state indefinately. That would be a neat alternative solution to the old problem of how to take characters from the past and transpose them into the present.