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The Ravens of Twilight
“The Ravens of Twilight roam the galaxy taking what they need, they always honour their brothers’ first. Slowly they improve their place in the universe gaining legendary status, hoping to one day save it. Fear the Free, Fear the Saviour”
They jump from place to place, never staying long and using warp storms as cover. (Not sure what to name the fleet)
They always choose their battles if possible, striking lightning fast at strategic points due to their small numbers and want of being unseen. They leave enemies alive to create their mystique and increase the fear value of an attack. They always loot what they can in high technology. Their brothers’ come before the mission. They will save a single brother even if it means failure of the mission. Often their psykers will create shadows to shroud their attacks and escapes.
Nearly the whole chapter follows the organization of the Ravenwing. Only the most untried marines are consist of tactical squads. Any marines brought into the chapter that are not attuned to high speeds and pin point precision are used as a shield unless the situation needs them elsewhere. Their leader is called Cathmor, the Blade of the Twilight. An exceptional psyker, skilled rider and fierce fighter.
They believe in their battle brothers first, they seek to survive and increase their and their brothers’ place in the universe. They wish to take control of the universe to enforce unity, freedom, and peace.
They send an eerie whisper across the field of battle, along with the eerie noises caused by their bikes and speeders, seemingly modified just for this purpose.
“Fear the Free, Fear the Saviour”
POTENTIAL HOUSE RULES
Fear the Saviour – The Sergeant of any Ravenwing Attack Squadron may cause an enemy unit within 12” to take a moral test instead of shooting.
Shroud of the Shadows – Librarians have this power. The unit the librarian is attached to gains the special rule: Shrouding as per the Daemonhunters Codex.
Ravenborn – Any unit of biker/s may take the skilled rider special rule for 2 points a model.
Honour Your Brothers – If one of your units loses close combat, the closest ally unit must move towards that enemy unit during its next movement phase.
Stubborn Beliefs – You can never take more than two squads of Tactical Marines, or Devastator Marines in a Ravens of Twilight army and never more than one squad of Deathwing Terminators. You cannot take a Land Raider or its variants nor Dreadnoughts.
What do you think? I would like some help fleshing them out.
I like the fluff, it seems nice.
For the losing combat and nearest ally moving closer rule, we should make it so that the ally must actually assault the enemy unit. It is closer to the fluff you're designing, and people won't just scream cheese at it, since whatever you were planning with the ally unit is now pretty much tied up for 1-2 turns. This way it sounds more of a disadvantage than advantage.
Some ideas on what points to expand on:
1. What brought their numbers to the low numbers they're currently at? Specific race? Freak accidents?
2. Why are they adamant on saving their brothers over their mission? Was it the belief of the founding members?
3. How do they use warp storms as cover? Special tech? Unique psyker ability?
4. Perhaps flesh out why the Sergeants can force the morale check. Specific training? Equipment? A battle-cry?
Your Wording is definitely better.For the losing combat and nearest ally moving closer rule, we should make it so that the ally must actually assault the enemy unit. It is closer to the fluff you're designing, and people won't just scream cheese at it, since whatever you were planning with the ally unit is now pretty much tied up for 1-2 turns. This way it sounds more of a disadvantage than advantage.They were accused of being Fallen, thus being nearly decimated by their fellow Dark Angels, which also caused them to live for themselves, not the Emperor or Chaos.1. What brought their numbers to the low numbers they're currently at? Specific race? Freak accidents?They have small numbers, so every Marine counts big time. And their leader Cathmor acts like a father and brother to them, and they follow his example in acting as a family.2. Why are they adamant on saving their brothers over their mission? Was it the belief of the founding members?The second one, Cathmor and the Librarians he has taught are very powerful.3. How do they use warp storms as cover? Special tech? Unique psyker ability?Each Sergeant must be capable of minor psychic abilities, "the glare" is not only to help win battles, but to inspire the legends of the Ravens of Twilight.4. Perhaps flesh out why the Sergeants can force the morale check. Specific training? Equipment? A battle-cry?
so they are non imperial space marines? but also non chaos, working for humanity?
You should read souldrinkers, you could get some good ideas from there, they are a renagade chapter, free form the imperium, but not servants to chaos.
PROUD TO BE IN THE BRITISH ARMY.
~~ Surrender and serve me in life, or die and slave for me in death~~
They honour their brothers above all else, but are willing to use them as a shield unless they can find a better use for them?
Even though you said that only the most trusted marines are put in Tactical squads?
And the weant to enforce freedom? What are they americamarines?
We'll free the hell out of you!
Seems a bit contradictory in places.. but its nice.
Also, you should probably explain that they are renegades somewhere as it seems to be a major part of their story
Arch Overfiend & Grand Despot
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Doom Eagle Space Marines
Hive Fleet Omega Tyranids
Goff Ork Boyz(dead)
Tau of O'me
Inquisitorial Xeno Hunters
and my attempted foray into fantasy
'Dark Angel Green' Dark Elves in need of fluff
It's a nice idea, having a chapter living just for their own propagation (which is what "defendin your battle brothers" will ultimately boil down to). If they're quite knowledge-heavy (which they would seem to be with the emphasis on Librarians) then they could come up with some beautifully survivalist/nihilist spins on things.
My main beef with it is the use of alien tech and the like. Yes, they broke away from the Imperium, but that doesn't mean they'll automatically disregard all the various things they've been taught, including their xenophobia. Why have they come to trust alien weapons against a large chunk of their hypnotheraphy treatments?
Before you answer that note that the hypnotherapy is an integral part of their training. This has become so ritualised in most (if not all) chapters that they daren't alter it for fear of angering the spirits involved in the process. So saying "because my marines are now trained differently" isn't an answer.
Also, having caught on to your other thread with your basic concept, why on earth would the DA consider them to be Fallen? If they're documented as being DA successors, they can wave some datacrystals at them and have the Adeptus Mechanicus or Administratum check it out. Also, the Fallen are known to have been thrown throughout space and time in ones and twos, not whole chapters. If there's more than maybe three of them together on the battlefield, they're probably not Fallen.
And a slightly smaller point, how did one of the chapter's Libarians rise to become Chapter Master? There's usually a "separation of powers" as it were, or at least there's no record of Librarians also holding any other rank within any of the chapters that I know of (there's the Wolf Priests from the Space Wolves who're also Apothecaries, but that's down to chapter practices rather than an explicit merging of the roles).
And with the "they control warpstorms" thing... I'd suggest cutting it, as psykers are rarely (if ever) that good. You could just say that they use naturally-occuring warpstorms as opportunities for attacks, rather than creating them themselves. It just helps the plausiblity of them slightly.
all good points but in his defence one the librarian master part i again refer to soul drinkers, who are renegades, unserveing to chaos or the impirium, but out there for the good of mankind, they have a chapter master who is also a librarian!
PROUD TO BE IN THE BRITISH ARMY.
~~ Surrender and serve me in life, or die and slave for me in death~~
As for the warp storm thing...maybe they have a technique for doing this instead of just brute force.
In fact how about this;
One of their Librarians was bored (or in a battle, w/e) and tried out this technique that he thought up (or read in a book of questionable loyalty, etc) a way to understand/manipulate the warp. It worked. Yay. Then the DAs found out, and construed that navigating the warp in a warp storm (dicey under the best of circumstances) like this guy did was a sign of patronage of the Chaos gods. Believing that they had a traitor in their midst, the DA went and beat the implants out of their bewildered successors, who fled with their wounded and have since been outcasts, disillusioned with the Imperium, but still worshiping the Emperor, the Mechanicus, and protecting humanity. They still hate the Xenos and the Heretics (because the Emperor did) but they don't believe that the human/posthuman/cyborgs that run the Imperium can or should.
The original librarian who discovered/whatever the way to manipulate the warp storms to give safer travel also understood that the warp underlies everything and learned to manipulate the warp more efficiently, almost like a Grey Knight. He passed these methods on to his students. The Librarians made a good enough argument to the Chapter Master that the Ravens now only recruit those of Psychic potential, often racing against Inquisitors and the Black Ships of Terra (that take psykers away to power the astronomicon).
That gives them a lot of excuses to get in fights with everyone, and if you are a good painter (I don't know either way) you could make a really cool objective marker which would be a little kid with an electric-blue aura and blue lightning coming out of his head, to represent a budding psyker.
Terminator armor going critical would be like Three Mile Island only very, VERY angry, and carrying a hammer.
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