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Not to start any controversy here, but I ‘d like to start a discussion about fitting things into the fluff of your army that doesn’t necessarily fit the official fluff. Things like why certain armies are allied together when they don’t match up on the allies table, or certain units that aren’t in the army list.
With the advent of Apocalypse and the free reign it gives you it has become a lot more prevalent to put units in your army that don’t belong. Sometimes for personal fluff reasons –sometimes just because they’re cool. Such as Cyric’s Dark Angles Baneblade -here- (Cyric's Dark Angels Army WIP) or the Inquisition based Warhound (units that are obviously not in the DA or Inquisition list or fluff.)
Sometimes it’s because you have a sweet mini from an earlier time or you have a wicked conversion you just want to use such as the Commisar mounted on a wolf -here- (The Tweaker's Guard WIP) riding with my Rough Riders (not legal in the current list)
And sometimes you run into a Velveeta power gamer running four Wraithlords …in a Chaos army;?. (Sorry, I’m not putting up the link to that one.)
So the question is, when is it cool new models and fluff, and when is it just, well… stupid?
I got an example: my friend ran inquistion and chaos together + 1 random dark eldar archon cuase he knew it was so super duper powerful. I laughed when his archon failed all his to hit rolls, failed his 2+ invul and got his ass kicked by a bunch of scouts.
anyway things that should never ally:
inqusition + Chaos
Tyranids + anything other than guard(genestealer cult)
necrons + anything, unless they are just using necrons as like counts as Adeptus mechanicus robots or something.... Hmmmm not such a bad idea actually... arggggghhhh must build Ad mech army.
Dark eldar and eldar, or imperium
everthing else is pretty much
only the blatently unfluffy cant be reasonable. also saying like. "My commander fought a warlord battle titan and killed it with his bear hands, and then b***h slaped leman russ." or anything absurd like that ruins fluff.
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for in strange aeons even death may die.
But yeah, when you start using the Avator of Khaine in a Necron or Chaos army.... try explaining that one.
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I can't remember where it was from, but I remember reading some kind of thing where some Imp. governor and DE worked together, but it was published stuff I think
Radicals would ally with chaos. The word "daemonhost" is kind of hard to argue about
Sisters can occasionaly. In the first GK novel, the SoB's are tricked into fighting for a traitor inquisitor, at least until a commander recognized the GK's. Also in one of the Ciaphas Cain books the SoB's are on a radical inquisitor's side for part of the time.
There is no such thing as a plea for innocence in my court. A plea for innocence is guilty of wasting my time. Guilty.
- Inquisitor Lord Fyodor Karamazov
On that note, it probably comes down to the opponent a bit as well. What's too much for one person might not be for another.
I know I'm not answering the question but I have to go soon so I must be brief.
One radical idea that I liked was carnifex in a regular guard army. The idea was that the fex had been captured alive and cyberneticly controlled. He had a complete back-story complete with a couple of handlers. I thought it was kinda offbeat and creative. Others called it cheeze.
I think it's not too far of a stretch for the Imperial Guard to ally with almost anybody. After all, Guardsmen are just normal, every day humans - they can be easily swayed, bribed, mind-controlled, etc.
Orks can probably ally with most anybody as well, because they're orks and quite frankly, they don't have to make sense. They're all post-modernists.
I think what it comes down to, at least for me, is if the other player is making the fluff out of a desire to have a cool, unique army with a great backstory or out of the desire to have a bunch of overpowered units from several different armies to create some invicible "super-list."
Lil' Tweaker - the Carnifex idea sounds pretty good to me, from what you describe.
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yep in the novel nightbringer the want to be gov used dark eldar and his pdf troops to true and take over.