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Admittedly, this is a rant, but I feel its a rant that offers a positive alternative.
While I understand the Primarchs were designed as super-human immortals, I feel like GW has let it go a little too crazy for my tastes. The stuff like Sanguinius killing a bloodthrister by breaking its back is awesome, but it should came after a hard fought battle. Leman Russ killing a Titian is, to me at least, pretty dumb. That's sounds like something you'd see on Dragon Ball Z.
The emperor as I understand it was a great psychic and a leader of men. The Primarchs could certainly be be much beefier than your average marine, say a stateline of 7's, and take a lascannon to the chest, but I don't think they should these total walking gods. To me it would be more interesting if there were just such great and commanding leaders that they could inspire billions to fight to the end.
Marines kind of suffer from a muted, dogmatic lifestyle that doesn't really encourage charismatic, creative thinkers. You're a warrior, you fight your whole life, kill the alien, the mutant, etc. I think the emphasis Primarchs should taken off the primarchs being amazing warriors, and focused more on them being amazing leaders that really tied together humanity under the emperor's vision. Current marines just can't emulate or achieve the same level of charisma. Not the walking demi-gods there are now. That's how all the great leaders where in history anyways.
Read the Horus Heresy Series and you may have a different view on this.
SWAT really does have the right idea. A lot of these things that seem silly to you now will make a whole lot more sense and seem true if you read some of the Horus Heresy novels. Many of the Primarchs (though certainly not all) did have a creative vision of what mankind could be, Horus perhaps having the most positive vision of it, ironically enough. Space Marines are so...funky now because of the events in the Horus Heresy where too much freedom/free thinking got them into trouble. The Primarchs pretty much were walking gods, though I'll agree Leman Russ taking down a titan does seem a bit far fetched - what fluff are you citing that from?
Seriously though, check out the Horus Heresy Series, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.
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(That same daemon had broken the back of Sanginius before the blood angels had been able to return to terra just before the siege. Sanginius returned the blow in the final moments at the battle for Eternity gate when he was holding off the tides of daemons and traitors alone while imperial forces retreated to the inner sanctum of the imperial palace.)
Marines of the 41st millenium are little more than warrior-monk serveants, psycho indoctrinated to be loyal to a fault, and are the protectors of the Imperium. Not its uniters, not the leaders of the normal soldiers, and certainly not warriors whose mission is to carve out an empire from lost colonies. (Marines of the 41st millenium are merely guardian's, guarding a space empire that has limped on for thousands of years.)
Also as before, 41st millenium marines are not 31st millenium marines and never will be; the closest you'll ever come to one of those in the present is in a chaos marine, and they have all been changed since then.
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The story about the old Viking bringing down a Titan was in the Space Wolf novels, if i am not mistaken. There is another story of him where he pulls up a Kraken from the Ocean, only to toss it away because it was too small. But i guess thats more folklore. You see, those events happened 10,000 years ago. With time, truth turns to legend, legend turns to myth, and myths are eventually forgotten. Maybe Bjorn the Fell-Handed does remember, but he has been Dreadnought for quite some time now and even his mind isn't quite the same as in his living days.
I guess the Horus Heresy novels give a very good look about how the Primarchs truly were. I especially like the scene in the first act of the Heresy-Novels, where Horus personally takes out the ruler of a planet/empire. That was just awesome.
Think about what it meant to fight alongside a Primarch. Even for a Marine, they were walking legends, let alone for any normal human. They were stronger, faster and more intelligent then any other human, safe for the Emperor himself. So if one of them is described in those books, its from the perspective of a Space Marine, who is also very powerful. One can only guess what it would have meant for a normal human to stand before a towering legend, clothed in ornate armor, surrounded by the wisdom and power of hundreds of years of constant warfare. I guess thats the reason the storys of GW paint them in the way they do, because thats just what happens to leaders like them after so many centuries have passed. Alexander the Great or Caesar are good examples of our time.
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Nothing in the space wolf books about russ killing a titan...
The other thing to remember is all Primarchs were psykers.. Yes, even Russ, he might not have consciously concieved himself as such, but he was. When he fought, he didn't use his muscles very much.. Rather, he unconsciously sucked massive ammounts of energy from the warp to make himself impossibly strong.
Therefore, it is a bit more like DBZ than you might think (much as saying that makes me shudder), not in the sense of lots of shouting and hurling energy around, but in the sense that power comes from energy channeled through the body, not simply physical strength.
And that's why marines don't match up to them and never will.. The Primarchs weren't just powered up humans with superhuman organs. They were more like miniature versions of the Emperor himself.
I'll admit to a latent use of the Warp being present in all Primarchs, since they were immersed in it at an embryonic level and were created from the genetic material of an incredible psyker, but;
- having psychic abilities don't make you a psyker. It sounds silly put that way, but that's how it works. Only a few Primarchs ever manipulated their psychic power to an arcane purpose, and two of them were done subconsciously, for the purposes of premonition. Magnus was the only real psyker-primarch. The Witch-King, for all those LotR fans hiding in them corners thar. It's certainly possible they were using it when they were hit by a tank shell to shield themselves, and when they were wounded they called on the Warp to heal themselves, and when they needed to pick something up they used latent psychokinesis. But they couldn't read minds and hurl kamehamehas' all over the show. Maybe they had a tingling when something bad was going to happen, or projected images of fear when they wanted to be intimidating, but this is baby Anakin in a podrace, not Yoda fighting Palpatine. And only Magnus had a force weapon.
...oh, God, that's three pop culture references in one paragraph. A few more and this conversation could be so geeky that the universe will shudder.
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