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I'm not precisely sure if this should go here or not, as it involves both rules and fluff. But, I think its mainly fluff. First, the reason I'm posting this. My current army is a radical one, but I didn't really like how limited the choices for it were, or the concept of "just take a basic SM or IG army with allies" (everyone I know plays IG or SM, no one does Inquisition). I like the rules for the sisters of battle, and noticed that no rules specifically forbid you from using those models alongside radical DH elements - so it just sort of came to me "Hey, why not have human troops with limited warp-spawned powers?"
The concept I had in mind would be similar to the creation of a daemonhost, but rather than binding a daemonic being into the flesh of a mortal, the inquisitor would create a sort of receptacle for raw warp energy. I can only assume this could be done, using some of the same techniques already used to bind the daemons. While it wouldn't give the mortal the same level of power, it would allow them to retain their own mind as the raw warp-stuff has no true sentience to override the mortals, as would be the case for a captive daemon.
I really seem to get mixed reactions between "Creative and cool" and "You've butchered it! The horror!" So my question is this - fluff wise, how believable is this in your mind?
I think the idea may have some merit. After all, daemons aren't all monsterously powerful beings. There are small pathetic ones too. You have to pull it off correctly though.
Now, are you talking about sealing daemons into weapons or objects, because that is completely feasible as it has been mentioned in several pieces of fluff, so even if that isn't what you are talking about, it may be an alternative that is more likely.
What I think you are saying though is to maybe seal a daemon into some one's arm and have them control it? Or are you saying seal it into themselves in general and just make them small daemonhosts that retain their minds? The first example is probably possible, but I think the second example, two essences sharing a body would be pretty unlikely, especially if the daemon is on the losing side, since they are probably going to be much more preservering and have stronger psychic presences than the average trooper.
One idea that I think would completely work with what you have in mind is to rip off Quixos a little. He had a daemon claw that was buried in his heart, essentially making him a conduit for the warp and vastly increasing his psychic power. You could have an inquisitor that implanted daemon essence, but not the conciousness in people to give them powers, but keep their minds, although probably not their sanity
Goodluck, but I'm not a fluff expert, so you might wait for someone elses opinion too.
Originally Posted by The Paint Monkey
If i understand it correctly I believe your going you use SoB as counts as minor daemonically powered sisters of battle?
I would justify it fluff wise by saying that they are the Inquisitors personal soldiers armed with daemonically and/or warp infused weapons and armor...technically sisters would work to well with possession because like grey knights, they are an anathema to the warp...
To Warrior47: The idea is actually not use a true daemonic essence at all, but as you said, more like a page from Quixos. In this instance some receptacle would be created (maybe hand made ritual items, maybe scavenged, who knows) of nonsentient warp energy that would create a link to the warp for the individuals that were implanted as such.
Each of these, on an individual scale, would not be an incredable power. The implantees would likely not be psykers in the first place, so that they would really have no psychic ability to speak of. Rather, they would simply have a constant connection to the warp as a source of energy. When many are allied together (kind of like the psychic gestalt of a squad of grey knights), it can cause reality-defying effects (in this case mimicing Acts of Faith in terms of rules). In some cases a Focus (Sis. Superior) or Channeler (Imagifer/Seraphim squad leader), most likely a minor psyker thus implanted, is added to increase the power and control the squad has over their abilities.
This seems similar to the Exorcists fluff, they were a chapter of marines that were deliberatly possesed by deamons then exorcised, this was done by the inquisition, the theory was that these men would then have an unparalled understanding of the warp and thus be able to fight it better, they have had great sucsess. even fighting alongside GK.
The main problem with what your looking to do is that it would be quite a big opperation and hard to keep hidden from other inquisitors before he gets busted and declared excommunicate tratoris.
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Isn't this what Horusian Inquisitors are trying to do?
In terms of fluff I don't know if its possible but some Inquisitors apparantly think it might be.
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One can certainly harness warp energy in a physical object (force weapons) or utilise it in terms of it made palpable (warpstone). A conduct for warp energy entering real space is a psyker but to try to make a psyker would probably induce madness, closely followed by death. If you're thinking of somthing completely different then do say and maybe I'll have some other explanation.
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I'm not so sure... being a conduit for raw warp energy IS being a psyker, so I'm not sure how you could make it particularly different that, although the Quixos idea has some merit. Having them use dæmon-energised equipment could work well, although you'd have to come up with an explanation as to how they have it, and why the effects are so constant. Maybe the easiest in this regard is to say they've looted an of Iron Warriors forge world or something, as they're documented as using bound dæmons to power various bits of their equipment. Although again, how and why they'd do this is questionable.
The inquisitor in question would have to be a seriously committed Horusian, and would probably be hunted down because of it. But it may work... I'm just not sure how you can do it without it making the process incredibly far-fetched. Although having him go rogue and perhaps hijacking a cult on some dæmon world somewhere might make it easier.
Horusian: An inquisitor who sees Horus as a "missed opportunity" to use Chaos energy for the good of humanity and protect it. They're willing to use anything and everything Chaos offers in order to protect Humanity from any threat. Including Chaos, to a large extent.
Thanks for the replies. It's definitly helping me get a better handle on precisely what to be shooting for here. One thing of ntoe is at one point I did consider the idea of minor psykers, again like how grey knights are all technically psykers, but alone a regular knight has no real powers to speak of, and it is only through the gestalt ability of the squad they they display power. However, this kind of bumped into game rules with the question "If that squad does count as having a psyker in it, why wouldn't yours?" For some units (IE: mystics and penitents in an inquisitor's retinue), the level pf psychic power is low enough to not qualify for any distinction in game, but I don't know about this.
Another idea was very similar to the Exorcist chapter of space marines. This does eliminate the psyker question, but looking back on it, it seems doubtful that the process would leave any sort of lingering warp ability in those possessed.
Gear does seem a likely aspect to pick on, as it is probably the easiest aspect to explain and doesn't really clash with the rules. However, it does feel sort of "off" to me. Since the abiltiies would mimic acts of faith, it would not truly by a "constant" effect (IE: constant invulnerable save or +Str, etc), which is what being equipped with such weapons and armor seems to imply to me. More feedback would still be greatly appreciated.
For gear, you could just say that the troops actually have bolters and power armor. Radical or not, an inquisitor is still an inquisitor, so its not too unreasonable to say that he has connections that allow him to equip his troops with superior gear.
Or, you could say that he uses some kind of ritual that imbues their equipment with warp power, which increases its effectiveness.
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