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Do battle brothers still have specific attraction towards members of the opposite sex? Or were they neutered and/or psychologically altered during the gene seed implants.
This sort of discussion comes up every 3-5 months.
The general consensus is that after 200 years shooting things, killing things, spitting acid and general militiristic kinaesthetic programs, not to mention the massive amounts of indoctrination and hypnotherapy, they're not particularly human.
While there's nothing written that mentions physical removal, psychologically, and probably chemically, they're not particularly inclined towards that.
Yes, yes, there's all sorts of lovely fanfiction that'd tell you otherwise, but everything we've gotten from both GW and BL indicates that romance is a topic removed from the banter of SM slumber parties.
Actually, the hormonal treatments and implants which take place during a space marines initiation and early training interfere quite substantially with the whole process of puberty. It isn't mentioned (to my knowledge) whether Astartes are sterile, but their libido and general - ahem - physical maturity in that particular area is severely retarded.
As far as I'm aware, the issue has only been consciously addressed a few times, generally by the Black Library.. I remember being told that in one of the BL books Ragnar Blackmane gets a bit hot for someone, but given that it's BL there's likely to be a degree of author-projection there. Besides.. space wolves.. There's an immature voice in my mind screaming 'doggy style.' ;P
If it suits your story to have it, then I doubt anything is holding you back. But just bear in mind that that any aware reader can spot wish-fulfilment a mile off, and romance is classic wish-fulfilment ground. Building a super strong author-substitute who falls in love with his dream girl and wins her over is not a very good space marine story.. There are other forums and other genres for that kind of thing. Space marines are dehumanized super-soldiers so pumped full of hormones they literally collapse and die without routine chemical rebalancing.. Romance there might provide a cool way to build tension between humanity and inhumanity, but handle it simplisticly and it becomes a grotesque ego trip, and people will spot it.. Heck, Frank Herbert was one of the most respected sci-fi writers in the world, and he still couldn't get away with it.. Wish fulfilment is a cardinal sin, avoid it.
I've always felt that they didn't need women. Like the Space Marines are sort or brainwashed in a sense to just kill and serve for the Emporer, and that's all they need and want to do.
But Imperial Guard on the other hand... I'm not too familiar with IG background and fluff, but it seems like they might desire women.
Imperial Guard are plain old normal humans.
Military discipline aside, they're probably just as inclined towards relationships as anyone in this day and age.
Corianis, your view is a common one, but is it actually substantiated by anything? It's a reasonable inference, but it's rather specific.
In Fulgrim a space marine captian was ALMOST reminded of what it was like to be attracted to the opposite sex when he looked upon a daemonette, and that was way back in the day when the Astartes were alot less disciplined so im betting its a deffionate no on the whole woman and love thing. But like others have said if u think u have something good run with it but watch were u post it or ou might get crusified.
Im an Emperors Children player and from all the fluff ive read about them, they are the closest thing to being space marines with erotic desires, and all those desires fall into the relm of pain and suffering or just general sensory stimulious rather than actual sexual desires.
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Reasonably informed (my words, make of it what you will) supposition. In other words, my opinion. On re-reading my previous post I realise that I neglected to mention that. My Apologies.
From GW Online : Warhammer 40,000 : Space Marines : Creation of A Space Marine (was also in a WD a few years ago)Which hormones are affected is not mentioned (AFAIK), but the steroid groups would be almost certain. Higher than norm levels of anabolic steroids in early adoslescent males often causes reduced volume of ejaculation, decreased sperm count and increased risk of abnormal spermatozoa, flat-out infertility, erectile dysfunction and atrophied/impeded gonad growth.Originally Posted by 2nd PageIE they tinker with an early adolescent male's (age 10 to14) hormonal balance, and if they had waited for the subject to complete puberty and fully mature the initiation process would fail. This strongly implies that an Initiated Space Marines hormone levels would not correlate to a normal (fertile) adult male. Even if we discount my previous paragraph (not outside of the realms of possibility - or probability for that matter), a fairly robust rebuttal would be required for me to change my opinion.Originally Posted by Third Page
Firstly; I am in no way a Doctor, Biologist or Pharmacologist. Even if I was, all I would be able to offer would be a more informed opinion, as we do not know the specific hormones being affected.
Secondly; Most of the above is based on medical papers found on google searches. I'm not going to bother providing links, if you want to read such sources you can perform your own searches - and finding more reliable data than I did is not out of the question.
Thirdly; None of the above take into account human evolution over the next 39 (at least) eons, nor any changes in medical science over that time. Keep in mind that most of the initiation process is performed by rote and rite and that Apothecaries have not got the depth or breadth of understanding we may expect if we think of them as doctors.
Fourthly; Grephaun's input would be most useful, as she is actually a medical professional.
Finally; 40k is fiction, and need not be connected to reality in any way. Short of a canon statement on this issue - which we haven't got and are extremely unlikely to get - we simply do not know and have no way of knowing.
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