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Hey guys, I was rereading the Ciaphas Cain omnibus today when it reminded me of something odd. In 40K backstory, the Adeptus Mechanicus are supposed to hate all non-Imperial, non-STC technology and condemn it as heretical. They do this quite frequently with Tau technology, claiming that it is unconsecrated by the Omnissiah and has no proper machine-soul. However, there are an equal number of stories about Techpriests becoming so enthusiastic about studying Necrontyr archeotech that they blind themselves to the obvious danger it poses. Given the Cult's attitude towards xenos tech in general, this seems a bit incongruous.
So my question is this: why don't the Adeptus Mechanicus seem to condemn Necron tech, when all other xenos tech is deemed heretical?
The Emperor set a fire in their hearts that they might burn the iniquitous and the impure from his sight. And the light of that flame shall be as a beacon to the faithful, a light that shines in the darkest places.
Well, subscribing to the theory that the Machine God or Omnissiah is actually a C'Tan, then I'd assume that Necrontyr technology is actually quite similar to STC technology. Alternatively, maybe the C'Tan Omnissiah's evil influence has warped the Tech-Priests' minds so that they will actively seek out Necrontyr technology and try to use it? Of course, this could all just be me talking out of my hat due to misinterpreting the 40K background.
I don't think that the Imperium regard all Xenos technology as "blasphemous". According to the Dark Heresy rulebook, some people will quite happily use full body mesh armour or needle pistols - both of which are of alien design, if not manufacture (I think). Of course there's always Puritan Inquisitors and Space Marines who'll kill people just for looking at that sort of technology funny, but that's half the fun of the 40K universe.
Hope this goes someway toward answering your question. If not, I'm looking forward to reading all the replies from people who are more knowledgeable about this sort of thing than I am.
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Look at christianity, for example: The Church of England, Roman Catholics, Coptics and Mormons all have very different ways of interpreting the bible, and quite different sets of dogmatic worship.
So I wouldn't find it hard to believe that some sections of the Cult of Mars would be devoutly opposed to anything non-human (or even anything that looks non-human), wheras some others would pick up the latest battlefield tau trophy with glee! I mean, there's many billions of people under the jurisdiction of the Techpriests, so you can imagine many different faith systems.
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Ya you should see tech priests when they get their hands on some eldar technology.
They freak when they get a chance to look at webway gates willing to comit imperial lives to defending their locations while studying them.
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I think Necron tech escapes some scrutiny because, until recently, it was hugely mysterious. No humans really knew where it came from.. Further more, it's all quantum machinery and hyper-advanced nanotech, stuff so far beyond the norms of human technology that it's quite hard to even recognize it as such.
That, and it's powerful.. Imagine spending your whole life studying technology within a set of rigid moral and metaphysical laws, then suddenly being exposed to devices so amazing they seem to make virtually anything possible. It's got to be a bit intoxicating, which is half the danger of alien tech. The Techpriest probably knows that the technology is wrong, it's just easy to forget that when it's really cool and can do things his own technology can't etc etc.
The Mechanicus does have branches which study alien technology, and it's considered to be necessary to do so in the spirit of learning how to counter and destroy it. Those who cross the line are heretics according to the core doctrines of the faith, but then, who enforces those doctrines? The Mechanicus doesn't really have its own Inquisition, Techpriests can report each other I'd presume, but even then it's difficult to see how a priest who crosses the lines can be bought to justice reliably. Even if you could catch someone who was being over-enthusiastic, how do you prove they've crossed the line and stopped seeing that technology as the perversion it is? All they have to say is 'yeah, I studied it but I know it's evil really.'
The Ordo Xenos have a big role in hunting down xenophiles but they're comparatively few in number and given the amount of freedom they're given in that regard might not always be the best people for the job.
On needle pistols and mesh armour, neither are alien in origin. The eldar used to wear mesh armour, but it's been replaced fluffwise with the psychoconductive suits they wear now. In general, Eldar technology probably isn't that interesting as its so hard to study.. It almost always depends on the user being psychic enough to use it. I'd imagine serious eldar tech study is confined to elite groups like the Ordo Xenos itself who have access to highly skilled psykers.
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I'd say i have to agree, they study in the intrest of finding out how it works so they can counter it, i wonder how they made phycic dampers and warp shielding, could it be by studing the eldar tech that did that too?
And, someone is going to have to explain necron technology to me please. didnt the humans have teleportation devises as readily available as the necrons do, before when they first colonized the stars, i guess it was in the golded age.
Tau tech is comparable to Imperial tech--more efficient and better understood, yes, but the Mechanicus understands most of the principles, so they see it as competition and a threat to 'their' tech. Meanwhile, Necron tech is very much the Holy Grail of the Omnissiah (possibly literally, as Nechriah pointed out), representing all the possibilities of the machine.
If we knew more about the Noctis Labyrinth complex then a better answer should be possible. Hello, Inquisitor Kuryakin?
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Well seeing in 40k xenos technology either falls under (For humanity), don't understand, or we make better anyways. The Necrons and Eldar fall under the first catagory. Necron technology is immensly advanced, and eldar technology requires the user to be a psyker.
The other distinction would be Orks and tau (Yes Tau!!!). Orks are obvious. Tau however may confuse some people. for all their vaunted uber tech, the Imperium does make better. "So why don't they" you ask? Well for manyfold reason. One, fleet technology is obviously in favor of the IoM. The Tau fleets are not as well armed, sheilded, or fast as their IoM counterparts. Another is expense. the IoM is MASSIVE. they don't have the revenues to give all the Imperial Guard a land raider or such. And the third, and perhaps biggest, is standerdization. The Tau come up with a new technology, a few years later and everyone in the Tau Empire has access to it. The IoM creates a new technology and it will take centuries to slowly spread across the galaxy. So what if you buyilt that new uber tank if its building required you to stop poducing Leman Russes for a week, causing 100 guard regiments to lack adaquate tank support causing the fall of 3 systems and the death of over 20 billion people.
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That and the fact that, according to all known laws of physics, Necron technology should not work.
They may not like it, but I'm sure they'd like to know how it works, if only to use it against it.
In almost all other circumstances, I'm sure the AdMech has an idea how the technology work (gestalt psychic fields, psyker tainted, etc.).
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From what I can remember of the Mechanicus core doctrine it goes something like this..
The machine god is the ultimate principle of knowledge and order. He encoded his knowledge within humans so that they might elevate themselves beyond their crude mortal state, and bring the universe into alignment with the machine god's plan. The human drive to build and create is the gift of the machine god, but must be properly regulated so that it serves His cause. In the 41st millennium, even human invention is extremely frowned upon by most tech priests, and dark age STCs are the only universally accepted form of human technology.
Aliens are incapable of applying the knowledge of the machine god to create true and perfect technology. Everything they create is nothing more than a blasphemous parody of true technology. If alien technology is powerful, its because it contains scraps of power stolen from the birthright of humanity and applied without human wisdom and knowledge of the machine god.
Therefore, the standard mechanicus line is that alien technology is never superior. It's just a crude reflection of the real process of creation, which only humans can perform.
I'd guess the problem with Necron tech is that it makes that line pretty hard to believe..
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