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Hey guys, I'm new around here but I've spent a little time looking around the forums and I found that I have a slightly differenet theory about the Eldar Laughing God than many other people do so I just thought I'd share it with all of you that have any interest. First of all, I'm not going to say that the Laughing God and the Deceiver are the same being because anyone with any grasp of the lore knows that could not be true. However, I do think that there is enough evidence to show that they do share the same essence to a certain extent. Read further to find out what I mean by that.
All of the quotes I'll be using come from the Dawn of the C'tan page which can be found on the Games Workshop website. GW Online : Warhammer 40,000 : Necrons : Dawn of The C'Tan.
I believe that Cegorach, the Laughing God, was originally some other entity. What sort of entity that is isn't clear to me but perhaps he was like Loec from WHFB since he is one of the only Elf gods without an explicit Eldar parallel. And before everyone begins flaming me on this, I do not think that the two universes are connected in any way. They just share certain thematic elements and names.
I think that the pre-Laughing God entity was transformed into the Laughing God after fighting and accidentally absorbing part of the essence of the Jackal God, aka the Deceiver. In the aforementinoned story it says "But Khaine had heeded the counsel of the Laughing God well. As the Nightbringer's form became solid to deliver its blow, Khaine lunged, the tip of his spear driving clean through the Yngir's chest." Khaine only knew how to beat the Nightbringer because the Laughing God told him how to do so. How would the Laughing God know how to beat a C'tan unless he had beaten one himself?
Also later in the story it says "But victory came at a price. Shards of the Yngir's flesh, driven deep into Khaine's body by the cataclysmic demise of his foe, melted in the fire of the War God's wrath. The silver poison flowed into his bloodstream, forever tainting his physical incarnation with the aspect of the Reaper." This clearly shows that while the warp is anathema to C'tan the reverse is not necessarily true, the essence of the C'tan is not anathema to warp entities. They can absorb it and incorporate it into their own being. This is also not just flowery metaphoric language on the part of the Eldar because it is the justification for the existence of the Dark Reaper Aspect Warriors who identify with precisely this part of Khaine's multifaceted personality.
So if the Laughing God had possibly fought a C'tan before and it is possible for Eldar Gods to absorb and be transformed by the essence of a C'tan then it stands to reason that the Laughing God shares certain similarities to the Deceiver because he absorbed part of the Deceiver's essence. In fact, I would go further to say that he may have absorbed some of the Deceiver's memories, getting the idea to trick the God of Insanity, aka the Outsider, into eating its fellows from the memory of the Deceiver's plan to trick the Nightbringer and the Void Dragon into eating other C'tan.
I know that GW intentionally leaves these holes open so that the fans can interpret it however they want, but I think that this is a very logical explanation for the evidence at hand. If anyone sees any holes in this theory I'd love to hear their thoughts.
Note the word 'tainting'.."But victory came at a price. Shards of the Yngir's flesh, driven deep into Khaine's body by the cataclysmic demise of his foe, melted in the fire of the War God's wrath. The silver poison flowed into his bloodstream, forever tainting his physical incarnation with the aspect of the Reaper."
If you read on a few lines, that was the point the Eldar stopped reincarnating and could die permanently. The metaphysical state of the entire race was permanently ruined because Khaine absorbed some of the nightbringer.
It's not quite 'haha.. I've stolen his power!'
And I think you could have a C'tan who had done the opposite, and absorbed some of the warp.. It would be a wretched thing, in massive amounts of pain and its own form would probably be tearing itself apart, but it's quite a cool image, and no more crippling than bringing death into the world.
Anathema doesn't have to mean 'you die instantly', it could just be a poison.
Your idea is interesting, but I'm not a big fan of big theories, especially those which involve the C'tan/Chaos Gods/Eldar Gods/Old Ones crossing over.. Yours is a massive step above 'the laughing god is the deciever', or 'khaine is khorne,' and your evidence is prretty good. But not everything has to fit into one clean, neat, coherent theory. I think it's better if some of these things are kept separate.
Last edited by The_Giant_Mantis; May 17th, 2008 at 16:24.
I find it ironic that the greatest of the Soul dancers as he is called tricked the C'tan into eating each other. Then later in the text he is RE named the laughing god.
in my opinion it doesnt sound so much like the laughing god had different names, but the text makes it sound like the Soul Dancer and the Laughing God were two different things...
Perhaps in this text the laughing god is actually the deciever in disguise and the soul dancer is the laughing god as we eldar know him. Who better to know how to slay a C'tan than a C'tan?
Really when it comes to two entities that are gods of their planes dedicated to deception and tickery its impossible to know so formulating thoeries about who is what (while fun and interesting) is pointless.
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So... if I gave some daemons a matte paint-job, would they be "Matte Daemons?"
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the deciver has many forms and is called by many names and im preaty sure that the deciver whants to destroy the nightbringer. he did reveil the nightbringers location to the eldar
Pretty cool theory you've got going there!
"But victory came at a price. Shards of the Yngir's flesh, driven deep into Khaine's body by the cataclysmic demise of his foe, melted in the fire of the War God's wrath. The silver poison flowed into his bloodstream, forever tainting his physical incarnation with the aspect of the Reaper."
If I remeber correctly this is referring to when Khaine got trapped in the Necrodermis. Can someone tell me if that is correct.
The theory linking the deciever to the Laughing God is an interesting. Though we look upon the deciever as a trickster, in some aspects he is more like Tzeentch in his schemeing from what ive read.
That sounds weirdly similar to what is known of the Outsider, don't you think? :pAnd I think you could have a C'tan who had done the opposite, and absorbed some of the warp.. It would be a wretched thing, in massive amounts of pain and its own form would probably be tearing itself apart, but it's quite a cool image, and no more crippling than bringing death into the world.