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Im making this seperate thread so the nids and chaos thread wont be bogged down with another discussion, I heard the C'tan might be related to the hive mind. What evidence is there to support this?
There is none, it just something people came up with because the tyranids ignore a large dyson sphere which should contain the 4th C'tan, the outsider.
Because the nids avoid this object like hell people think that the outsider is making them but the concept on nids and c'tan working together is riddled with holes.
First of all nids and necrons want 2 very different things that will not go together, also nids avoid tombworlds because they contain little no no materials for them to harvest.
The reason why the nids avoid the Dyson sphere is simply because it's a giant psychic void which would interfere with the hivemind.
Actually, I gave a couple of things that would support the theory ... I think it fits rather nicely.
First of all, the C'tan consume biomass, matter from this realm. They have no use for souls or the warp. The Tyranids completely shut down the Warp via their presence ... travel within it is impossible, and the C'Tan's great work was EXACTLY THAT - shut off the warp and render it non-useable, so that their FTL warp-less travel could hold precedence.
The Tyranids are the perfect function for converting biomass of all types into willing, living organic creatures of ANY DESIGN DESIRED. As much as the Tyranids build killing machines now, they could convert that biomass to super tasty wonder kids at will.
Plus, the C'Tan are the one thing the Tyranids aren't interested in eating, b/c they aren't useable biomass. You could say they avoided the Dyson sphere b/c it is a psychic void, OR you could argue that the Outsider is in some way involved w/ the 'Nids. It actually fits the story quite nicely.
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GMail = MVBrandt
I recall reading somewhere (Maybe even on this site) that the Hive Fleet seems to be moving along with the Dyson sphere as it's approaching Imperial Space. This was used as an argument that The Outsider is guiding the Tyranids to Terra, so that all the Bio Mass of the Imperium can be devoured. This would also kill off many hundreds of thousand Chaos worshippers, greatly weakening the 4 Gods.
At my local store, we've speculated that in the future, GW might bring out another 'Eye of Terror' like World-Wide campaign, in which The Dragon and The Outsider wake up. Just a thought though.
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I admit that a connection is possible. And if a C'Tan was responsible for the Tyranids, it would probably be the Outsider. It shares the least in common with the other C'Tan, who seem to prefer incredibly advanced technology and inorganic science rather than manipulating genetics or creating new living beings. However, why or how the Outsider would have created a whole new race to harvest biomass is beyond me because the fluff states that it prefers to consume other C'Tan. The C'Tan don't even really eat biomass anyway; they feed off of physical energy and the essence of living beings, which I would think is close to souls because it can be "flavored" with emotions such as fear and pain. I know there's fluff that states gauss weaponry was created to harvest living beings, but it's not biomass as such because the guns go much farther than the Tyranids do; they completely deconstruct everything down to component atoms rather than just rendering it down into primordial soup.
At the moment, I don't think there's enough fluff on the Outsider or the origin of the Tyranids to justify more than a speculative connection.
I have my own pet theory that I think is more likely: that the Tyranids were made by surviving Old Ones who fled the galaxy and now want to sweep it clean of the species they made and start again. Think about it: the Old Ones specialized in making new life, but were essentially defeated when their creations started thinking for themselves. They might want to reclaim their work and start from "scratch" (read: unformed biomass). In addition, there's some fluff that states how small an amount of biomass is actually needed to replenish the hive fleets when compared to the sheer amount that a planet provides. There's just too much biomass, and it has to go somewhere. The Magos Biologis can't account for it, though. It's possible that the Tyranids are sending it back somewhere, maybe out of this galaxy and back to the Old Ones who can use it to make more species.
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Well, one of the two major problems is that the Tyranids consumes all bio-mass before them. They want to strip the galaxy clean. The C'tans don't want that. They want to be able to feed freely on the peoples of the galaxy. Remember, when the C'tans first entered stasis it was because the number of inhabitants in the galaxy were reaching dangerously low levels...
Also, the fact that the Tyranids relies extremely much on the Warp, indeed, there ruler is supposedly Warp-based, kinda knocks the C'tan-thind down immidietly since the Warp is an anthema to the C'tan.
If the Tyranids consume the Galaxy, convert it to willingly subjugate biomass, that is the PERFECT way for the C'Tan to "consume the galaxy freely." Plus, as mentioned, the 'Nids can easily reform the biomass into whatever tasty treat the C'Tan want at the moment.
Furthermore, there is mention of C'Tan effectively ignoring souls, not consuming them ... it is their living essence, their material forms, that they consume, leaving shrivelled husks and sending souls screaming to the warp, where demons await to go after 'em. I really wish I could remember that reference, as it's pretty critical in pointing out that the C'Tan are not soul-eaters ... this is supported by their absolute non-interaction w/ the Warp.
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GMail = MVBrandt
I see a few glaring problems with the theory that the nids arent controlled by the C'tan but they are merely using them to harvest the galaxy and in the end the c'tan will destroy the nids.
First is the C'tan and the Necrons do'nt need any help harvesting the galaxy. They're technology and strategy is vastly superior even god like to compared to that of the mankind, the Tau, and so on. If they wished the C'tan and Necron armies could easily wipe out them out.
Plus is that the tyranids are extremely vicious fighters and could actually have a chance of taking on the c'tan and the Necron legions, like I said if they wished to do so the Necrons could completely destroy the galaxy once again, remember they defeated the old ones whom were basically a race of gods so mankind is a bit pathetic to them even the Eldar.
Basically right now the Deceiver is making the majority of the C'tan's plots, the Nightbringer is just hungry and busy eating it's not his nature to scheme.
And basically there is just is'nt the fluff as of now to tell whats going on.
Where do you get that the 'Nids were created before the C'Tan in their present form?
Nids & Guard
GMail = MVBrandt