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note: I apologise if this topic already exists, couldnt find it.
*hint*The future of mankind and 40k is right on the cover of the rulebook *hint*
on the shield is a depiction of the emperor wrestling with two snakes in the grass.
ever heard of "snake in the grass" ?
a hint to who those two snakes are, are on the hammers head.
an eagle and a lion.
Lion= adeptus astartes
around the shield are markers, one for each race in 40k.
plus one additional marker, one of a skull with a halo.
my conclusion is:
Upon the ending of man, the emperor will awaken from his slumber.
The astronomican will fall silent because of this.
The adeptus and imperium will try to put the "jack back in the box" so the astronomican can function again..
because simply, humanity is doomed without it's aid.
(how will the astartes and guard function when the emperor *doesnt want to* protect anymore?)
maybe his ideals have simply been perverted too far by the likes of the inquisition etc. ?
The emperor will hardly comply and just up and leave.
qeue the end of the world for mankind. *grin*
result: tyranids arrive uncontested in full force and devours all, then leave..
after the dust has settled, Chaos wins, as always
maybe the "starchild" thing will be made real? (havent read much about it though)
maybe a bold assault on terra makes the golden throne fail, and the emperor finally kicks it?
Maybe GW cant actually make anyone "win" overall, as it would kill off 40k and therefore alot of their income.
I have to say, i do like your version of looking at it, and it would make sense if the above statement didnt apply.
If that is the case, you have forgotten one important thing his sons. Both the primarchs and the sensai(i believe thats what they are called) the sensai will play a large role in the end of times and the primarchs will most likely return so there will be plenty of momentum shifts that could change the battle to end all battles.
I think if the emperor dies or leaves it is because he has ascended to a warp god and will fight the powers of chaos from within the warp itself that is why he was created. He will represent hope,love, or something of that nature within the warp.
But either way, their will be a War to end All Wars
Thats what I think
I think GW has seen from Privateer Press' example that a game can still do fine and have an evolving storyline.
- The Astronomican grows fainter and more intermittent.
- Tyranids attack from one side, Orks from the other, Necrons and Eldar from within. The Tau's sinister nature is revealed and they make their move.
- Abbadon's 13th Black Crusade blows through the Cadian Gate.
- The Dragon on Mars awakens.
- The Golden Throne finally fails after 10,000 years of continuous operation and the Emperor dies...officially this time.
- The Warp is thrown into tremendous turmoil until the Emperor is reborn in the Warp as a God in his own right. The Emperor-God stabilizes, to some extent, the Warp and protects human psykers and humans are safe to continue their evolution.
- The Imperium, however, is now shattered.
Now, what we have is a situation where the story has progressed massively, but the game has not fundamentally changed. Everyone is still fighting everything. In fact, now more battles would make sense, such as the all-too-common Space Marine vs. Space Marine. With the Astronomican guttered out, communication is nigh-on impossible, so any movement by anyone will be seen as a hostile act.
For example, the Phalanx floats into Ultramar space. The Ultramarines didn't know the Imperial Fists were going to show up, no one told them ahead of time. Ergo, they assume an invasion and start fighting.
Some Imperial units would stay loyal to the Imperium's remains, while others would take the opportunity to create a fairer and less corrupt government. There's another source of conflict.
And you've still got the assault from Chaos, the predations of the Necrons and Dark Eldar, the rapid expansion of the Tau, the constant harassment from the Orks, and the over-arching threat of the Great Devourer rapidly approaching.
If anything, I think that would spur tremendous interest in the game. After all, look what the "Horus Heresy" series is doing in terms of interest, and that's stuff that's already happened. Importantly, though, it is "relevant" to the universe, It's not the story of one hive gang beating another hive gang for primacy over a hab-block. It's not an endless string of two-bit Inquisitors taking down an equally endless string of two-bit Heretics.
WHFB: Dwarfs || WH40k: Imperial Fists, Necrons || WM/H: Trollbloods || BFG: Necrons
I'd be very surprised if they ever made a change that drastically changed any of the armies or removed them all together from the universe.
I mean if humanity fell apart what would the inquisitors be doing? Trying to put it all back together again? I geuss my new sisters of battle will live on protecting their shrines and the innocent travelers that pass through them but there won't be as much point in the witch hunters. They'd just end up travelling from system to system and without as much belif from the commen person and no backup availiable they'd just be booted out of town. I suppose they may try to preach the word again but that's not really their place.
Someone just read The Da Vinci Code, eh?Originally Posted by arachnid;1211919[See first post. I don't want to have a huge quote tree here
I love the theory, but that's way outside G.W.'s normal behavior of slightly modifying the story every year.
But to comment on the part I left in the quote, Chaos would cease to exist if the Tyranids devour everything. Why? Because Chaos needs followers. Chaos Gods are the "embodiment" of emotions, and with everything dead (because Tyranids leave no survivors), there would just be void.
However, the Tyranids will never defeat everything. Not so long as the Orkz is still around!
Half Gods are worshiped with Wine and Flowers. Real Gods are worshiped in Blood.
Blood for the Blood God! Beer for the Bronze Keg!
thought about it some more, and actually, the emperor would make a pretty good malak.
cant really see how the nids could enter comorragh or the warp though, so there would be a bit of ppl left..
the orks, well they would just be used passed by by the nids..since nids arent herbivores ..
or.. maybe the last of the c'tan will awaken, forcing the emperor to transcend into a warp-god in order to fight them?
in the unlikely event that nids would devour even chaos..
since they take the traits of their food, like kroot, does that mean that the hives can become tainted by chaos?
which begs the question:
Do hiveminds feel anything but hunger?
do they dream? do they Fear? do they hate?
if so, maybe these human traits will infect them somehow, letting chaos spill forth once more..
ok, i derailed a bit there
The Hive mind I doubt would feel fear or anything sides hunger. I could see the Imperium splitting apart. Not falling apart, but maybe a second age of Apostary. There is 2 Imperiums more or less. Or a large section of the Imperium Seceeds and it leads to a Galatical version of the American Civil War. So there is still a reason for the Filthy Inquistors as there is still an Imperium so to speak, it just isnt as large, and these rebellions will no doubt be seen as heresy. As for the other races
Tau - I don't see them being a MAJOR threat except to maybe Ultramar. They can't travel the warp and ergo will not be able to travel the great distances.
Eldar - I don't see them screwing aroudn with the Imperium since it would hinder their battle against chaos, as long as the Imperiums civil war leaves the eldar alone, the eldar will not bother them (except Ulthwe)
Necrons - I don't see why not, the C'tan awaken and try to take back the tomb worlds.
Orks and nids - They've been fighting the Imperium already, Orks will see all this fighting and want in. Nids are already devouring everything in their path so.
Dark Eldar - Take advantage of the strife and increas their raids.
Chaos - Definatly, Prey upon the falling Imperium, Increase it's collapse cause even more damage to the false emperor.
Forgive my cynicism, but GW aren't going to change anything. They never have, never really will. It'll always be a galaxy in constant war. They're not going to seriously change their biggest cash cow.
Strictly speaking, the EoT campaign went decisively to Chaos. SoC to the forces of order. Neither really changed anything.
They're not White Wolf. They'll not actually say "Wow. This impending apocalypse ACTUALLY ARRIVED".
Everything that's been written so far simply points to that they're simply pushing the clock 5 seconds further closer to midnight. A metaphorical "Hey! Everything's about to fall apart. We're serious this time! Really!"
It's been in a case of near-collapse since the 80s.
The eagle represents the Adeptus Astartes, and the Lion represents the Imperial Army (or imperial guard + navy), not the imperium as a whole, the emperor is indeed wrestling with two snakes, but each emblem on the shield correspons to an imperial organization; The Inquisition, Adeptus Mechanicus, The Eclesiarchy, etc. count the number of organizations on one of those pages in the rulebook and the number fits exactly, whereas it does not for the many races of the 41st millenium.
p.s. I don't see how the primarchs will return. Lionel Johnson- MAYBE, Roboute Gulliman - technically impossible seeing as how the poison will kill him if he leaves stasis, many others are dead like Rogal Dorn, Vulcan and Leman Russes' returns are doubtful. Don't know about Corax or the Iron Hands Primarch though...