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I don't know if i'm posting this in the right spot but oh well.
These 2 questions have been bugging me for awhile and the poor souls at my local GW store.
How many C'tan are there actually I mean there are 4 we know of but is it possible for there to be more than 4?
Is it possible that the Chaos gods or another C'tan that caused the rapid evolution of the Tau Empire?
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To answer your first question, only 4 are mentionmed and these four are apparently the last, though I would like it if there was an air of mystery to the C'Tan (not going to get started on the codex Necrons fluff foul up aka 'The old ones/c'tan did it!').
As for the rapid evolution of the Tau, with their low warp presence and unity, as opposed to anarchy, I would assume that Chaos has nothing to so with them, and I would hpe that GW would not have the C'Tan taking an active role in their development - I like the air ofm ystery that some of the races (and Pre Heresy Humanity) have. The mytery behind the rapid evolution of the Tau (second fastest evolving race in the galaxy) is better than any revelation I can think of on that topic currently.
Just to put the record straight on this post though - I love Necrons, I like the C'Tan but I do not like plot-busting universal 'truths' in game fluff, as it kinda detracts from any input the community can have on the issue, and kinda stomps on a good DH game if you have too many 'fluff smart' players. Just in case I came across as a frothing 'Necrons ftl' anti-fan .
Uncertain, but not impossible.but is it possible for there to be more than 4?
I don't expect GW to come up with any more before they do anything with Dragon and Outsider, though.Possible yes. True... not neccesarily.Is it possible that the Chaos gods or another C'tan that caused the rapid evolution of the Tau Empire?
There is virtually nil information on the matter, though.
I did find one quote in the Necron codex that hinted at the possibility of more C'Tan. I do not have the codex in front of me, so this may not be word for word, but it mentions that once the C'Tan awaken and begin their harvests, "more will be drawn to the galaxy, like sharks to blood". There are two ways to interpret this. One is that it will be their necron servants that will be drawn in. The other is that there are more C'Tan out there, still undiscovered. If (and that is a BIG if) there are more C'Tan out there, they are probably still in their initial states, feasting on stars and oblivious to the delicious feasts that the existing C'Tan have discovered. Do not start quoting me on this, however, heh, since it is a really far-fetched and largely unsupported theory. As for Tau, while I could see the C'Tan playing a part, I also hope it is not the case. It is best to keep the individual races seperate. It wouldn't quite be fair for Tau players to discover that, fluffwise, they are actually just puppets of the C'Tan. It would take away their individual identity. (would have divided this into two seperate paragraphs, but I have a faulty enter key, sorry everyone)
Last edited by Zarak; July 29th, 2008 at 16:22.
Increasing the diversity of the 40k universe through the destruction of Space Marines, one army at a time...
If I interpreted the various Necron backstory sources correctly, there were many C'Tan at one point, but the War in Heaven and the Enslaver Plague was not good to them.
The Nightbringer, having developed a taste for his own kind, ate most of them and it is implied that the only remaining ones are:
- the Deceiver, the runty one who is actually at full strength.
- the Nightbringer, oldest of the C'Tan, but is currently starved.
- the Dragon, supposedly sleeping on Mars, possibly the Machine God himself.
- the Outsider, supposedly the strongest of the C'Tan, who built a Dyson Sphere for himself and toured the Universe until life in this galaxy re-established itself.
The rapid development of the Tau from plains-dwelling primitives to a super high-tech race over a few millenia was facilitated nearly entirely by the Ethereal caste and their ability to calm the nature of the Tau.
To wit, the Tau have spent the last few millenia working together and extremely efficiently towards a common goal with nearly no internal strife at all. Seen from that perspective, the Tau's rapid development is understandable.
The question, however, lies in the origin of the Ethereals. Some have perceived that one of the C'Tan created the Tau Ethereals to create a Warp-free society of docile living beings with no appreciable souls. Humans, becoming more Warp-active all the time, are becoming poorer food for the C'Tan, while a species like the Tau would be ideal.
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That actually makes a lot of sense. And I agree, putting the C'tan behind the Tau's development is quite ludicrous; races should stay seperate (pardon Chaos Space Marines lol) and it kind of makes sense also that the Machine God could be in fact C'tan, the Void Dragon.Some have perceived that one of the C'Tan created the Tau Ethereals to create a Warp-free society of docile living beings with no appreciable souls. Humans, becoming more Warp-active all the time, are becoming poorer food for the C'Tan, while a species like the Tau would be ideal.
Though I doubt GW would write rules for such things, leaving them undeveloped in our minds, just for fun and it IS!
My friend, a full on 'cron player is obsessed with the fluff behind them, and he wants to include the Void Dragon in our summer campaign (december or so) and we're debating the rules and such, which is quite amusing. I guess GW intended it to be so.
EDIT: I forgot to answer the actual question of this post - I'm quite contempt believing there are only four C'tan left, the possibly has been seeded through the fluff, but I'm happy with just four, like the Chaos gods, only four. Tau are untouched by the Chaos or C'tan goddies, which is a VERY GOOD THING as said prior to this post.
There is a bit on the subject in one of the stories about the harlequin dances for the Eldar fluff. I'm having a bit of trouble finding it atm but if you look hard enough it should be there.
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It could have been a C'tan, but rapid evolutionary powers have always been the thing of the Old Ones really, and there are little if any of them left.
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What the remaining Old Ones gonna make the Tau attack the Necrons,and Orks?
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