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Old August 3rd, 2008, 05:52   #11 (permalink)
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She did not turn to Chaos. She fights it constantly in the story, possesses massive anti-daemon powers, and was taken to The Black Library since she knows the weakness of Slanesh. The Ordo Malleus, however, were convinced she had turned and spend the whole series trying to kill her.
If you're talking about the story I linked too, I know Stern doesn't turn to chaos, but it does mention that one of her underlings in the SOB was tainted.
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Old August 3rd, 2008, 10:09   #12 (permalink)
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Not just one - at least half (if not all) Sisters of her Convent, actually.

But I guess you might be referring to that Mistress(?) from the Order of Our Martyred Lady, which had taken Ephrael into custody after she showed up as sole survivor of that incident.
And "tainted" is an understatement... that chick had a whole demon inside her, plus the Mark of Slaanesh imprinted on her skull (below the skin).
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Basically, it comes down to what you believe on the matter. Second Edition states that only one has ever fallen. It's, clearly, outdated fluff, being three editions old. Daemonifuge graphic novel says that more than one has fallen. However, it may not be canon by itself. Heck, until recently, pretty much everything from Black Library wasn't canon either. Some of that was actually a good thing (for example, a certain star eating god and a certain plot armored smurf with a melta-bomb...).
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Well I don't see the Sisters as capable of being power hungry, so no tzeentch there.
Look among the higher ranks, nor run-of-the-mill front liners. The potential for envy and scheming is in all human beings. It just needs a way out. Besides... who's to say they don't aspire to become a saint?
And Tzeentch is very good at creating illusions and "miracles", isn't he?

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They do not fear death either, so Nurgle is out.
The Death Guard didn't fear it either. Nurgle made them beg for it.
Given the resources at his disposal, I somehow doubt he'd find Adepta Sororitas unbreakable.

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There are inquisitors that try use Chaos on itself, while it's an origional idea and might have merit (Lets face it, our favorite Chaos gods fight among each other almost as much as the imperium) It still leave them perilously close to corruption. How they themselves have not been Burned as heretics for their practices is beyond me.
Those proven to be tainted are routinely executed. Those who simply dabble with Chaotic elements in their work are often left to their own devices (altough zealots like Tyrus or Heldane might disagree).
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Given the resources at his disposal, I somehow doubt he'd find Adepta Sororitas unbreakable.
Well, in "Demonblood" by Ben Counter, a Demon Prince of Nurgle was faced with a Space Marine and a Sister of Battle. He tried to corrupt them both. The Marine broke, the Sister did not.

The Demon Prince said something about the Sister's mind being like an infants', claiming she'd simply be too ignorant to be able to grasp the truth about the universe.
Nurgle 0 : Sisters 1. Blind faith can be a strong shield of one's mind, apparently.

There's actually the starting talent for Sororitas characters in the Dark Heresy RPG called "Pure Faith" which - amongst other benefits - seriously strengthens their ability to defend against demonic corruption. Surely a good explanation on why all but the most subversive attempts of corruption to the weakest spots would fail, represented in the (relatively) low number of incidents where one or more Sisters were tainted (always by Slaanesh up to now, when looking at the released stories).
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I dunno, I guess in the case of the Sisters, Tzeentch would have a more powerful influence as opposed to the other two, as fro tzeenthc and slannesh, i think even slannesh would be beaten out as Corrupting an innocent sister would end up being a complicated plan and we all know who specializes in that.
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Well, in all documented events Nurgle was "always" not able to corrupt a Sister, whereas Slaanesh can boast himself with claiming that all corrupted Sisters were his work. Of course, this isn't a clear fact, since we only have a handful of incidents to compare at all.

However, keep in mind that Sisters rely on each other and keep themselves in check through rigid discipline and self-discipline as well as regular confessions and penance. This system should prove to be quite effective when it comes to disrupting any long term plans, as any changes in behavior would not go by unnoticed - and a Sister that still has to be corrupted would not lie to her superiors when it comes to discussing strange dreams or anything like that.
Tzeentch works by corrupting an individual and slowly turning him over to his own side. Imho, this strategy simply doesn't work too well with the Sisters and their unique behavior.

The most important aspects, however, are that a Sister would not gain anything from Tzeentch. Sisters do not have a personal agenda, they are solely dedicated to the Imperial Creed. Unlike the Marines, they are willing to sacrifice their pride and independence in pursuit of this goal. That said, what could Tzeentch possibly promise her? The worst thing that could happen is probably that a Sister would commit a heretic act because Tzeentch tricked her into believing this would be for the Emperor. But this is not corruption - this will only have the Sister fall from grace and likely end up volunteering for the Repentia squad.

The only way I could see a real opportunity for Tzeentch here might be one of the higher Canonesses from the Ordos Majoris, who actually have to do politics and cut deals with the Inquisition, sometimes sacrificing part of their faith for the "greater good" (Imperial Creed and prosperity of the Sisterhood).
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The thing you have to remember with the fluff is alot of it is done from the Imperials perspective. The sisters of battle are seen as the holy of the holy to the ignorant citizens, When they turn I am going to bet that they pretty much stop existing as far as Imperial records go >_<

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"Blood for the Emperor! Skulls for the Golden Throne!!"

The thing is most Chaos "converts" don't just wake up one morning thinking "yeh this entire emperor things getting a bit old.... so you know.....*puts on silly DoW minion voice* glory to the dark gods!" The influence of Chaos is often far more subtle even with gods like Khorne and Slaanesh"

Chaos gets into your head. Chaos corrupts your own faith, bends it out of shape and perverts it, it finds a weakness and exploits it. The daemon dosn't always have to come in the form of it's god, maybe the Daemon comes to you in dreams not as a daemon but as a sainted and martyred sister offering glory to the Emperor. A daemon of Khorne could whisper the fact that mr.Inquisitor down the hall is a witch or that the Space Marines are filthy mutants! KILL the mutant!! HATE the mutant! PURGE THE UNCLEAN!"

(that is my take on it anyway, I could be wrong, hell its a big universe I am sure it has happened somewhere)

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To say that the heretic must be killed, don't they know there is a chance they are empowering khorne? By killing a chaos worshipper, especially in a fight. You need to starve chaos, and the tactics the Inquisition uses if anything empowers chaos. The Afore metnioned killing, Execution of heretics which is murder. The macavellion politics and ambitions the inquisition constantly goes through, and the constant despair that comes out of the 40k universe.
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