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roman chapter, i need a bit of help fleshing it out. but this is what i got so far:
Chapter Name: what should i call 'em?
Homeworld: Roma Terra
Founding Chapter: Imperial Fists
Chapter Colours: lots of red with bits of black. Diferent coloured laurels to represent rank.
Chapter Organisation: 5 Maniples of 120 Triarii (Terminators) per Maniple, these troops sport 2 red feathers from their helmets. 10 Maniples of a 120 men per Maniple, containing the chapters Princepes (Tactical Marines). 10 Maniples of a 120 men per Maniple, containing the chapters Hastati (Assault Marines). 5 Maniples of a 120 men per Maniple, containing the chapters Velites (Scout Marines). 5 Maniples which include all the chapters tanks, landspeeders, dreadnoughts and aircrafts.
Fighting Style: although the marines of Roma Terra see clearly the benefits of the firepower of the Imperium, it is not unheard of for squads to take on a purely close combat role and forego bolters in their preference of a large shield and sturdy spear.
does anyone know what titles i could use from the Pre-Marian Roman Empire to represent sergeants, captains, etc?
Milites = Lowest ranking soldier,
Principales = roughly equivilent to a corporal/sgt
Centurio = cross between an Junior officer and a Sergeant Major commandes a century, (80 men)
Centurio Primiordines = head centurion,
Primus Pilus = not sure on his rank, I think hes like a champion centurion, his rank means 1st Spear
Junior Tribune (Tribuni Cohortis) = Cohort Commander, 10 per legion.
Tribune (Tribuni Angusticlavii)= 5 per legion,
Senior Tribune (Tribuni Lacticlavus) = 1 per legion, 2nd in command
Prefect (Praefectus Castrorum) = higher than a trubune, not sure what he commands
Legate (Legatus Legionis)= commander of the legion.
Other ranks include
antecursores = pioneers
signifer = bearer of the Legions symbols
imagnifer = bearer of the emperors likeness
aquilifer = bearer of the imperial eagle (one per legion)
cornicen = musician, signal man, horn blower
Decurion = commander of a cavalry century
Equite = cavalry private
A roman themed legion is pretty cool and you can expand to create Auxilla (imperial Guard)
This is not a hundred percent accurate, and I may not have anglicised the terms correctly..
Major Stark, (sprechst ein bissen deutsch?)
thnx heaps, do you reckon 'aquilifer' for company (maniple) standard bearer, or should i make the 'aquilifer' the chapter bearer and the 'signifer' company (maniple) standard bearer?
also i'm pretty sure 'imagnifer' fits the bill for company champion!!! although a 'Primus Pilus' armed with a spear would be a pretty sick champion... wat do you reckon?
when i came up with this idea for a chapter, i kinda wanted to stick to a theme before Marius created all the reforms for the entire armed forces of the empire. so the first thing i thought was "scrap all the stuff you suggested!!" but then i read what you said about imperial auxilia. and now my heart is set upon rough riders converted to represent praetorians with Decurions leading them, of course i now have to add a few storm troopers to represent cohortus urbanae (or something)...... so many ideas rushing into my head all at once.....lol
you got any ideas for imperial guard romans?
and i'm thinking they will be a VERY balanced army. as i've already made a celtic chapter which is primarily infantry.
i was also thinking of making a tank-heavy teutonic chapter, what would you suggest for that chapter?
Sorry mate, no German, Japanese with a few words of Russian.
Id make the Signifer the company/maniple bearers and the Aquilifer the Legions eagle bearer as thats more close to their historic roles.
How codex do you want this Chapter to be, if you base it on a legion proper it would be pretty big, you would have 6 centuries to a cohort, 10 Cohorts to a legion with two Auxilla cohorts and a Cavalry Ala (squadron). Id would be roughly 5000 men strong.
If you just want it to be a theme... Id leave you terminators as Triarii, labal you regular marines as Principii and your scouts as Hastatii, and bikers as you Equites.
all privates could be classed as Milates, with veterans as Immunes and Sgts as Principales, your company/ maniple captain would be your Centurion (centurio), your chapter master as you Legate, with a Senior Tribune as his 2nd in command, Each company could have a 1st Spear, pirmus pilus, as its champion (I like your spear weilding idea) or Dreadnaught, and a signifer as its standard, and a Imaginifer as some kind of hero/ relic bearer. Id ignore the Junior Tribune unless your going to orginise you companys into cohorts, and keep apothicaries and librarians as they are. Your antecursores should be some kind of seige engineers, or they could form your tanks drivers, artillery manners. Auxilla, id use guard infantry/ rough riders.. cadians or Mordians/ pretorians if you can find them. Use them as your Romans did historically, 1st line. You could say its is from the ranks of you auxilla that your chapter picks its new recruits. Cadians in red tunics with white/black/blue trousers yellow trim on their jackets and steel armour would look romanesque.. you could even add greenstuff plumes to marine/guard helmets.
For your Germanic chapter... you could go for a space wolfish Anglo Saxon/ Old Saxon/ Frisian look, with Frydsman, Huscarls, hunters.. you would only need very loose tactical formations though... and not best suited to tanks.
The Grand Order of Teutonic Knights might serve, they were a knightly order, white flags with Green Cross or maybe it was a black cross I believe, or Green flags with White crosses. your could paint them in that manner, just have every ten man marine section in a Rhino with lots of Preditors/land speeders in support.
WW2 Panzer formations might be worth looking at though would probably suit Guard better with their more regular army sounding names.
Im thinking on a Welsh/Arthurian themed Marine chapter but ill probably end up doing more Guard.
"How codex do you want this Chapter to be, if you base it on a legion proper it would be pretty big, you would have 6 centuries to a cohort, 10 Cohorts to a legion with two Auxilla cohorts and a Cavalry Ala (squadron). Id would be roughly 5000 men strong."
i think i'll keep that for my imperial guard auxilias, because it would be more feasible to 5000 imperial guardsmen, than that of a chapter 5000 strong.
"Your antecursores should be some kind of seige engineers, or they could form your tanks drivers, artillery manners"
yep definetly, they'll man my artillery/tanks. you originaly said imagnifer was the bearer of the emperors likeness, so do think i could make the dreadnoughts the imagnifers? seeing as how the emperors practically dead, as are dreadnoughts.
"labal you regular marines as Principii and your scouts as Hastatii"
hmmmm.... i can see the direction your coming from, as the Hastatii were the youngest members of the army. but in wikipedia it said that velites did all the scouting, sniffing out ambushes etc. whereas the hastatii where the troops who first attacked the enemy, but you know, its pretty difficult to match the old roman military to one set 41k years in the future.
"you could even add greenstuff plumes to marine/guard helmets."
i'll probably be doing that, any ideas on how to model that?
what do you think would be a good name for the chapter? and i'm not too happy with Roma Terra, so any ideas on the home planet?
"The Grand Order of Teutonic Knights might serve, they were a knightly order, white flags with Green Cross or maybe it was a black cross I believe, or Green flags with White crosses. your could paint them in that manner, just have every ten man marine section in a Rhino with lots of Preditors/land speeders in support. "
yeah when(if) i do my tank army it would be modeled on the teutonic order, they're almost exactly the same as black templars so i'd just use their sprues.
Just a little bit more info I founde, an Immunes, was legionary who had equired a specific skill that boosted his pay or standing like armourer, tailor, fletcher, ballista/scorpion operator, cook vital to his unit.. I suppose his modern equivilent would be a specalist, heavy weapon operator, medic ect..
As to your chapters name... If you want a Roman sounding name for your chapter, Legio is the Roman title, so you could go for something like...
Legio Remus - (The Remus Legion) /Primarch = Remus
Mithras would make a good Primarch aswell as Jupiter or Mars.
Legio Corax (Raven Legion)
Legio Aquila (Eagle Legion)
Sol Invictus (Invincible Suns) (Ive always thought that this would be a cool name for a Titan)
Legio Tigris (Tiger Legion).. you might want to double check that one
Legio Lupus (Wolf Legion)
Legio Ursa (Bear Legion)
Legio Ducima (10th legion) AKA Legio Equestris (Mounted Legion) Legio Veneria (Venus Legion)
if you want to se REAL legion names...
Legio Alaudae were all in existance at AD 80, they could also do as homeworld names.
yer, i reckon thas a good idea, i'll make members of the squad who have a special role Immunes. eg Immunes Absentis Vir or Immunes Flamma Conicio
i had a bit of an idea for some fluf, PLEASE tell me if this sounds absoletuly ridiculous.
in antiquity upon Holy Terra there once existed a mighty empire (roman) this empire was named after its founder, Romulus. it is said that Romulus killed his twin brother Remus, but what really happened was Remus was sucked to another planet by warp storms, where he founded his own empire, with a capital city named Rem. the sons of Rem fought and subdued the majority of this planet which they named Novus*. a few pockets pockets of resistance remained, but this was viewed postively as it provided good gladiators for their huge and beautifully crafted arenas.
i know its pretty sh*t, so any help would be vastly appreciated.
Doesnt sound too bad.
you could say that Remus was banished by his brother and left with a large group of his followers, their fleet was consumed by a warp storm. His people quickly became the dominate force on the feral planet and enveloped the native cultures. Thats your planets founding sorted, your marine chapter on the other hand could involve something like contact being established withe the Emperor while the Remans were just about to enter their space age... call their Praetor something like Ceasarion, Augustine, Trajanus, Domitianus, and he becomes the 1st chapter master of their order.. or even the Primarch.
You got to think.. how would one man transported through the galaxy, alone manage to impress his culture on another. pretty unlikely, hed be swallowed up, hed adopt their language, clothes ect ect (assuming he wasnt immediatly killed).. if he has a sizable force of people with him however he has the ability to dominate, and absorb other tribes/ groups into his own.. strengthening it and ensuring its survival. Also take it to account that, coming from where/when he does hes going to be pretty primative, swords/sandals level of tech... his people are going to need a couple of miliennia to develop before the Imperium is going to establish contact with them.
Least, thats my tuppence, this is your chapter mate, and your baby. SO if it sits well with you... then roll with it.
yeah i like your theory on the founding of this chapter. i'll roll with it.
but i had a bit of another idea of the 1st chapter master...
the empire of Rem flourished its way through its first golden age until they met the tribes of Rhone. fierce barbarians who through themselves upon the "unbeatable" triplex acies employed by the legions of Novus. the remans' war with these warrior tribes from Rhone went from bad to worse. eventually a man emerged, by the name Domitianus, this man began a quest to change the style of fighting which had served the reman empire since its beginning, his pursuits led him to win over most of the populace and in the end he seized power not altogether unwantingly by the people. however, many did opposed his new ideas, curiously, most who spoke negatively of him ended their lives with a knife in their back. but their was one man who opposed him so valiantly that their was nought that Domitianus could do to stop his small band of traditionalist soldier/warriors. sending legion after legion against the young leader and his elite army only strengthened his troops' morale and weakened the morale of the emperors forces. toward the end of the crusade towards the capital of Rem, the young leader was surrounded by an army so vast that no matter his tactical genius it was obvious that him, and his cause, was doomed. Domitianus strolled through the ranks of his troops, giving speeches on how the reformed way of fighting (domitianus' way) was the more effective and that here, on this field, his enemy, known simply as 'The Praetor', would die.
the Praetor calmly made his way towards the emperor and uttered a short phrase, from behind his helm. it is not known what he said, but whatever it was, the emperor never smiled again, never laughed again, never felt secure again.
the two great leaders made their way back to their respective armies. reputedly, one army consisted of a single legion, the other of ten.
before either side could sound the charge, a great blue rock plummeted from the sky. this strange iron construction unfolded four wings, and out of its bowels walked a giant and eight bodyguards. the giant wore a suit of armour terrifying in its sheer size and his torsoe sized fists crackled with magical energy. the behemoth walked towards the Praetor, who could barely contain his awe, and spoke several phrases, as well as gesturing to both forces, eventually they came to an agreement and the giant, now knowned to be Marneus Calgar, spoke to member of his guard who in turn spoke into a device on his greave. several strained minutes passed with ten legions under Domitianus wondering at the strange turn of events. soon after a great roaring filled the air, causing thousands of members of the emperors army to flee in terror. the noise was by eight thunderhawks who picked up the Praetor and his legion. in the conversation which passed between the Praetor and Calgar, Calgar offered salvation for the young Praetor and his army in the form allowing them to the first members of their very own chapter. they gladly accepted.
i didn't really revise it so it probably doesn't make much sense, and please feel free to criticise or comment =)