Chaotic Primarchs

[Hashulaman]

I've been reading bits here and there about the emperor Striking Deals with the Runious powers to make the primarchs? If this is true, please elaborate as I'd like to know as much of this as possible.

[AlbinoAlien]

I've never heard this. The emperor did make the primarchs himself.....and the chaos gods took them from him via warpflight.

[Tutankhankh]

First Chaplain Erebus of the Word Bearers kinda hints to Horus that his daddy was dealin' with the devil in order to make the Primarchs in False Gods, book two in the Horus Heresy. Whether this is true or not... who knows?
His point that, if the Dead Guy could make Primarchs, why didn't he simply make a few million of them instead of Space Marines, is interesting, though - but far from impossible to imagine counterarguments for.

[hotspike18]

As said by King Tut up there, it does look like the Emperor used Chaotic powers to create the primarchs, this would help explain why the Gods worked so hard to disrupt his plans (angry at his betrayal, and it was rumored the Emperor was on the verge of inventing a way to defeat Chaos itself) and why some of the Primarchs were so easily turned to Chaos.

[Intrepid]

...why some of the Primarchs were so easily turned to Chaos.

Many of the rebelling Primarchs had reasons for joining the Heresy other than serving Chaos--Thousand Sons, Night Lords, Alpha Legion and Iron Warriors. Notwithstanding that, there was really no point in creating lots of Primarchs. The key idea was geneseed, make one super-warrior and then cookie-cutter him. In fact, the answer to the original post is also geneseed. If the Primarchs were created using Warpcraft then surely it would be impossible for geneseed to be free to taint.

[Tutankhankh]

Many of the rebelling Primarchs had reasons for joining the Heresy other than serving Chaos--Thousand Sons, Night Lords, Alpha Legion and Iron Warriors. Notwithstanding that, there was really no point in creating lots of Primarchs. The key idea was geneseed, make one super-warrior and then cookie-cutter him. In fact, the answer to the original post is also geneseed. If the Primarchs were created using Warpcraft then surely it would be impossible for geneseed to be free to taint.

If you make something using radioactivity, there is no guarantee that the end product itself will be radioactive. The geneseed could have been crafted by use of Chaos, without ever actually being touched by Chaos.

[Wolf Lord Herby]

The geneseed could have been crafted by use of Chaos, without ever actually being touched by Chaos.

HERESY!

Actually, it depends who you listen to. Some Inquisitors say that Chaos is a contaminant, anything touched by it is infected by it, others see it merely as another source of power. Personally, I'm a budding Historian, not a 41st Millenium Physicist, so I can't say

[Montyhaul]

This thread just broke my minnnnnd.

I thought the Emporer was just really clever...

[Tutankhankh]

HERESY!

Actually, it depends who you listen to. Some Inquisitors say that Chaos is a contaminant, anything touched by it is infected by it, others see it merely as another source of power. Personally, I'm a budding Historian, not a 41st Millenium Physicist, so I can't say

Look at it this way: If you use nuclear power to drive a factory, the produce of that factory will not be nuclear, or radioactive. If Chaos was simply used as an analogue of that , then the Primarchs would never actually have been anywhere near Chaos before they started jumping it with knives and pistols.
Of course, it all depends of definitions. Technically, if the Dead Guy used his majik powahs to craft them, then they'd still have been made using the power of Chaos.

[Intrepid]

I still don't see it. The Dark Age of Technology had a lot of amazingly advanced gadgets, few if any of which were Warp-powered or -manufactured. Genetic engineering wouldn't benefit from Chaos aside from a high mutation rate, which usually defeats the purpose of genetic engineering in the first place. Warpcraft-tech is notorious for physical and behavioral instability--not something you want to make Sgt. Superman out of. Between the possibilities of DAoT and the manifest drawbacks of Chaos' influence on anything, I don't see how Chaos could or should have had any part in designing the Primarchs. Xeno-tech I would accept...but not Chaos-tech.