traitor iron knights fluff

[chaoz94]

ok well you may be wondering who the iron knights are
well neil hodgsen made a loyalist army called the iron knights and i didnt know about them before i had named my traitors so instead of changing the name i thought what if the iron knights had an 11th,12th,13th,and 14th company (BEFORE you say about oh marine chapters can only have 10 companys I KNOW THIS and i dont really care if you bug me )
so heres the fluff
in the 25th founding the iron knights were created as a chapter which could combat the diffucult threats the imperium continusly faced and so were created from several reserve companys of many chapters including the ultramarines and the imperial fists.the highest ranking officer from the ultramarines was granted the rank of chapter master and that would annoy the imperial fist commander because he shouldve had command of the chapter. instead he was granted as the tatical specialist and 2nd in command of the chapter. since the 25th founding the chapter flourished greatly and became renowned for there heavy weapons use and tatics and were said to match the tatical abilities of the iron warriors legion and imperial fists. eventually the chapter master was killed in battle with the red corsairs . this would be the chapters only disgrace as it forced a split between the first 10 companys and the 11th-14th company as the former imperial fist commander was next in line but some of the other companys had aggreed that the commander of the 11th-14th companys overall commander should be the chapter master. after the former imperial fist was elected chapter master the 11th - 14th commander known as captain Andrew lightshadow started to feel betrayed by the emperor and . eventually becoming more corrupted , more jealous and feeling more betrayed by the chapter and the chaptermaster turned traitor in a battle with the iron warriors legion and opened fire on the other companys forces . the imperial forces had to retreat but after this "lord bloodblade" as he had become known has had a feud with the chapter master which lasts to this day .
so how is this ? c&c is welcome .

[luke.noorda]

i really like it! very interesting, but maybe expand a little?

oh, and DEFINITELY change the name of the rebel Captain!! Lord Chaoz has, no offense or anything, got to be the most 6-year-oldish name i have ever heard. unless, of course, there is a good reason for the name?

apart from that, i have always liked it when a chapter splits down the middle! you could even have a decade of infighting, where the survivors are now the 1st companies of both chapters

anyway, good start! keep going!


ciao

[chaoz94]

Originally Posted by luke.noorda

i really like it! very interesting, but maybe expand a little?

oh, and DEFINITELY change the name of the rebel Captain!! Lord Chaoz has, no offense or anything, got to be the most 6-year-oldish name i have ever heard. unless, of course, there is a good reason for the name?

apart from that, i have always liked it when a chapter splits down the middle! you could even have a decade of infighting, where the survivors are now the 1st companies of both chapters

anyway, good start! keep going!


ciao

thx problem is i cant think of anything else for the name and chaoz is my gaming name for everything lol
but if i think fo anything else ill post it up

[chaoz94]

eventually bloodblade had to find somewhere to establish his new base of operations . he thought of the mealstrom (where black heart is) but didnt because he wanted to annilate the imperium first before dealing with the other lords so he choose the eye of terror following the iron warriors but going to a corrupted forgeworld which bloodblade took 1 of every tank he had requested along with the regiments before leaving mars to embark on the attack which he would turn traitor on
eventually in a raid to aquire supplies off an black legion controlled demon world andrew came into contact with one of abbadon the dispoiler's highly ranked lords which started off the bloodfeud the two forces of chaos have with eachother
but before he had left andrew had taken serveral imperial guard regiments he had corrupted with him which inturn inspired a rebellion 30 sectors wide .
currently he is considedered one of the imperiums dierist threats and inquisitors seek to capture him.
he has also been know to harbour fallen angels which make him a priority target for the dark angels the reason he did this to bring more forces to aid him in his journys to destroy the imperium and to possibly bring cypher to him so they could team up to destroy the imperium
this is all i can think of at the moment
more will come soon

[luke.noorda]

i like the Fallen Angels bit!
you could even make your 2nd (or whichever) Company consist entirely of them, from what i've heard, Dark Angels are very shooty, so make your 2nd Company Sergeants all Fallen Angels who now command incredibly effective Devastator (well Havoc, really) Squads.

oh, and with the whole thing about chapters only having 10 Companies, i'd just say that the Iron Knights had an unusually low amount of specialist troops and tanks, but had fifteen companies of tact marines. simple. unless you had another theory on why the chapter was abnormally large?

ciao

[chaoz94]

Originally Posted by luke.noorda

i like the Fallen Angels bit!
you could even make your 2nd (or whichever) Company consist entirely of them, from what i've heard, Dark Angels are very shooty, so make your 2nd Company Sergeants all Fallen Angels who now command incredibly effective Devastator (well Havoc, really) Squads.

oh, and with the whole thing about chapters only having 10 Companies, i'd just say that the Iron Knights had an unusually low amount of specialist troops and tanks, but had fifteen companies of tact marines. simple. unless you had another theory on why the chapter was abnormally large?

ciao

hm good idea luckily ages ago i brought some dark angels for conversion and i might buy some more
when i get some more marines ill convert some with the black templar sprue
oh yea the theory
the chapter was on of the very few chapters to have begon cloning their marines so many look the same and since most the traitors were furios that "bloodblade" was not the chaptermaster they all turned to khorne (BLOOOOOOOOOOOOOODDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD )
the chapter has lately been spotted in the warp on a course towards the imperial fists chapter planet

oh and i plan to get some sternguard to convert for a apoc game in december ill have
(AND YES im so evil i even brought a drop pod)
i plan to eventually add some nurgle to the army aswell along with a thundefire cannon , the ironclad dreadnaught , a land raider redemmer (maybe) a soulgrinder to go with the bloodleeters , bloodthirster, and deamon prince along with the scout land speeder for making bezerkers on landspeeders throwing dead scouts at the enemys with bombs in (LOL) and some bikers which i might make into zerker bikers and have them chopping off ig heads off the bodies while riding past and holding a chain weapon in 1 hand and the head in another , or the ig being pushed into the chainweapon (MUHAHAHAHAH)

[Xerxes]

Some nice ideas here and a good overall result. A few bugs however.

Why mix the two chapters in the creation of this one? Mixing geneseed is technoheresy, and if it's not mixed you're always going to end up with a two-tier system in the chapter, which is a bad idea from the word go. So I'm not sure why it's there. You don't need the geneseed backing to force the split, simple disagreements on which foe to fight and the way to do it could suffice.

The bit about the STCs rankles with me, because there are no new STCs, they're all relics from pre-Imperial times. There's no need for them to be there if you want him to have a productive forgeworld, just have him capture one in his initial flight to the Eye.

And why the need to involve the Special Characters? Influencing so many big players in the 40K universe would create other ripples that other people should know about, and so it would be a bigger part of the 40K universe than some homebrew fluff. Have some feuds with some local chaos lords in your playing group and grow the fluff around your games, it makes things a lot more involved as each fight adds a chapter to the simmering resentment between the commanders.

Carrying on with the questions of scale, which 30 sectors are we talking about? There are several mentioned in the Eye of Terror, and Abaddon doesn't have influence in that many of them (if I remember correctly, which I may not). It's a bit too impressive a shopping list for a simple marine commander-turned-renegade. Although I like the idea of turning the IG to follow him, some details on how he did it would rock.

And why would he shelter Fallen, particularly? It's not a bad idea, but there needs to be a reason for it. Bearing in mind that Fallen are astronomically rare, he may have one or possibly two hiding in his force, but anything more is pushing it, in my mind.

[Sarpedon]

I'd hate to be nit-picky, now they 11-14th companies are actually fine as there were several chapters created larger than normal in and around the eye or terror to combat the excursions from the eye, also it is rumored that the Space Wolves and the Black templars are quite a bit above the normal strength.

Now there are several real problems that have not been addressed yet. First and foremost:

Iron Warriors Gene seed: Dont play with this, the went traitor and all records of their existence was wiped out, their planet was exterminatus, In addition each chapter is in control of their gene seed and they would have taken it with them, not to mention it would be heresy beyond belief to create a chapter with their gene seed if any still existed that was not to mutated to implant.

Imperial Fist Home world: The imperial Fists have no home world, they are a fleet based chapter who's most common location is in Orbit around Terra. Good Luck. Now why the Imperial Fists i ask?

Big Name character: Stay away from characters that are well positioned in the fluff, cause then you end up mucking with the canonized universe. Why not one of Abbadons un-named Generals? or another leader or some war band?

Sarpedon

[chaoz94]

Originally Posted by Sarpedon

I'd hate to be nit-picky, now they 11-14th companies are actually fine as there were several chapters created larger than normal in and around the eye or terror to combat the excursions from the eye, also it is rumored that the Space Wolves and the Black templars are quite a bit above the normal strength.

Now there are several real problems that have not been addressed yet. First and foremost:

Iron Warriors Gene seed: Dont play with this, the went traitor and all records of their existence was wiped out, their planet was exterminatus, In addition each chapter is in control of their gene seed and they would have taken it with them, not to mention it would be heresy beyond belief to create a chapter with their gene seed if any still existed that was not to mutated to implant.

Imperial Fist Home world: The imperial Fists have no home world, they are a fleet based chapter who's most common location is in Orbit around Terra. Good Luck. Now why the Imperial Fists i ask?

Big Name character: Stay away from characters that are well positioned in the fluff, cause then you end up mucking with the canonized universe. Why not one of Abbadons un-named Generals? or another leader or some war band?

Sarpedon

hm good point i dont really like to focuse on the imperial side of fluff lol
ill change the fluff soon and anyways i wanted to do imperial fists because ive always liked the iron warriors and drawn a lot of inspiration from them (bloodblade not being chapter master is just like rogal dorn being given the credit where peturabro should've had it )

[chaoz94]

Originally Posted by Xerxes

Some nice ideas here and a good overall result. A few bugs however.

Why mix the two chapters in the creation of this one? Mixing geneseed is technoheresy, and if it's not mixed you're always going to end up with a two-tier system in the chapter, which is a bad idea from the word go. So I'm not sure why it's there. You don't need the geneseed backing to force the split, simple disagreements on which foe to fight and the way to do it could suffice.

The bit about the STCs rankles with me, because there are no new STCs, they're all relics from pre-Imperial times. There's no need for them to be there if you want him to have a productive forgeworld, just have him capture one in his initial flight to the Eye.

And why the need to involve the Special Characters? Influencing so many big players in the 40K universe would create other ripples that other people should know about, and so it would be a bigger part of the 40K universe than some homebrew fluff. Have some feuds with some local chaos lords in your playing group and grow the fluff around your games, it makes things a lot more involved as each fight adds a chapter to the simmering resentment between the commanders.

Carrying on with the questions of scale, which 30 sectors are we talking about? There are several mentioned in the Eye of Terror, and Abaddon doesn't have influence in that many of them (if I remember correctly, which I may not). It's a bit too impressive a shopping list for a simple marine commander-turned-renegade. Although I like the idea of turning the IG to follow him, some details on how he did it would rock.

And why would he shelter Fallen, particularly? It's not a bad idea, but there needs to be a reason for it. Bearing in mind that Fallen are astronomically rare, he may have one or possibly two hiding in his force, but anything more is pushing it, in my mind.

well i choose the fallen because i have a grudge against this dark angels player and i like the back ground about them