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Ok looking at the tau and eldar codexes, it seems the tau are almost equal to the eldar in terms of technology. They certianly seem to be that way in terms of firepower. Anyone think otherwise?
I think of Eldar as having the good dependable technology and the Tau as having the experimental technology that is somewhat stronger but less dependable. Just my two cents
I think the Tau have more potential, though the Eldar are still technically ahead.
In many cases (as far as I know at least) the Eldar utilize technology they no longer understand all too well. Much of the knowledge to create it was lost.
The Tau aren't quite there yet, but what they make they can engineer more of and make it better with time. Essentially, they are a young Imperium. They have the potential, with time, to become VERY technologically advanced.
"If you can wait til I get home, then I swear we can make this last."
Also? Eldar tech is based on their psi, and very little can be used at all without psychic powers.. Case in point: Their armour maintain a psychic link with the wearer. Anybody else wearing it would find it to be about the strength of a regular plastic suit (So, not much difference, really :p ).
In many ways, Eldar tech has less in common with e=mc^2 and more with "The blade glows blue when orcs are close".
Whereas Tau, much of their tech is just barely recognizable as current cutting-edge principles applied wholesale, like railguns and exoarmour. There's no such thing as a plasma rifle, or a lasgun, or a shuriken catapult, but railguns exist, even though they're less than practical ATM. The Eldar basically have the most unrealistic tech of all the factions, whereas the Tau are the most realistic. The Imperium is likely more advanced than the Tau, but they have forgotten how to best take advantage of their tech. The Eldar are even more advanced than the Imperium, even though their tech just barely squeaks past as tech, but they are even more rigid and unadaptable than the Imperium. Whereas the Tau? Wouldn't surprise me to learn their troopers had brought ammo specifically produced to fight that specific enemy in that specific environment.
There's also the fact that the Imperium and the Eldar both follow rigid, set-in-stone sets of tactics, wheras the Tau adapt.
In that way, a bow could probably outfight an AK-47 without being more advanced.
I think the Tau have advanced technology but less of it. They have only been working on technology for a very short time compared to the Eldar. And regardless of being super-advanced there is only so much time to learn everything, the Tau haven't been around long enough to do that. The Tau are specialised in certain areas and have gotten very good at certain things. The Tau are as set in their ways as the Eldar of the Imperium. They have a strict way of combat which dislikes getting close and dirty. In this way they seem to have gone to an extreme in using very advanced technology to solve problems.
However they are as stuck in this mindset as the anybody in the Imperium. The Tau can at times out-do other races with their advanced technology. Other races can out-do the Tau by being very practical a cheap in solving a problem. This is because Tau can do great things with their advanced technology but if the find a problem their technology can't solve they are stuck.
I think also that because different races use different forms of technology none can really claim to be the most advanced. The Tau are very good in certain areas. However the Eldar are much better at dealing with the warp. A serious but not dire problem with Chaos/Daemons etc would be very hard for Tau to handle if dealing with it involved more that firing a big gun. Also there are things such as warp-based technology that Chaos marines use. Some of this stuff is said to be beyond the comprehension of the Adeptus mechanicus. This would go for the Tau as well as Chaos influenced tech will be well out of their field of experience. There is also Tyranid bio-tech. It is altogether alien to everybody else. Most of it from manufacturing/breeding to how it operates isn't understood. Nobody knows what kind of propulsion Tyranid ships use.
Overall I think Tau are very good at what they do. But like everybody else that is all they are really good at. To really use Eldar technology you need to be psychic. Nobody will ever be as good with a powerfist as a Space marine. Tyranid engineering requires being eaten/liquefied and remade into one of them to use it without going mad. And there is Chaos, warp-powered-tech that will take over your mind with daemons unless you know how to control them.
Hands down the Eldar have better tech then the Tua (and I say this with out any bios for I'm a Imperial). Eldar have millions of years of technological and social not to mention evolutional development on the Tua, making them more knowable on the “tech” of the universe. Yes the Elder now appease more mystic when dealing with technology but that’s because they are on a completely different level then the Tua and humanity.
Ya, a fire warrior have a rifle capable of firing 30” and their plasma weapons don’t over heat (curse these grey fiends!!!) but the Eldar warp-spider and titans, which they don’t need because if they want you dead they just have to think about your head exploiting and then kaboom.
It is quite hard to gage the tech of the 40k universe I know, I myself have been on a quest to uncover the mysteries of the Dark Ages of Technology.
Yea eldar tech is psychi based, though some of it like the missile launcher, scatter laser, star cannon, fusion gun, shimmershields, are not based psycicily. Even the warp jump generator basicly works on the same pricinaple as impeirum ships going that utalisze warp travel. You can see various bits of tech similar to what the eldar have. Tau also have fusion guns, most races have a form of force field that works like a shimmershield. Tau also have safe plasa weapons. Also, Tau have anti grav for their tanks and transports. Only real difference between eldar tech and the others is much of it is warp/psykik based, given their past track record with chaos, you'd think they wouldn't be that careless.
In terms of technology, the chart would be.
The Imperium of Man
- In fact, Orks are above everyone except the Eldar in certain things (teleportation in particular.)
And yes, I did put the Imperium above the Tau. The Imperium doesn't mass produce their most advanced technology or use it on the battlefield very often, but it is enormously powerful. There are relics left over from the dark ages which come close to rivalling Eldar technology in power and complexity.
But put it this way..
Tau can build a 10 foot tall exoskeleton and fit a giant jet engine on the back to make it fly.
The Imperium can chemically alter a guy to the point where he can kick straight through your ribcage, spray him with light-dampening material and arm him with a rifle which is so ballistically near-perfect it takes a genius a lifetime to produce.
Eldar can build a lightweight and movable exoskeleton which nonetheless boosts its wearers physical capabilities, then fit a portable teleporter into a backpack, then make it so the soul of everyone who wore it is merges together to form a new consciousness for whoever puts the suit on..
Hence my point..
Ignore what happens in game.. In game, a space marine is equal to 3 guardsman. In fluff, it's more like 20-100. Also, check out Inquisitor. A shuriken catapult is monstrous at close range.
Last edited by The_Giant_Mantis; October 17th, 2008 at 13:11.
I agree with the above assessment of the Tau technological inferiority to the Imperium and the Eldar.
Tau technology is extremely advanced for it's young state of developmwent, and their proliferation of advanced technology to their basic troops, combined with the fact that Tau are more numerous than Eldar, can make them seem more advanced. Indeed I would aos go so far as to say that the standard Firewarrior is siginificantly better equipped for any form of warfare than a Guardsman, but is in turn outnumbered by humans by a fair margin, even in small engagements.
Speaking purely technologically, Tau are heavily specialised, and though aunique form of infantry, you can liken the Crisis, Stealth and Broadside suits as their responces to problems faced in warfare, that have been tackled differently by the Imperium (iI will go with the Imperials as a specific, near tech level example).
Crisis pilots are the elite of the Tau cadres, and though formidable, are likely less of an investment resources and science wise to develop, than the Astartes project in pre-heresy times. Genetic, Warp Drive, Psionic and Starship technology is clearly superior when considering Imperial vs Tau comparisons.
In conclusion, I would say that Tau technology is mass produced, and so everyone benefits from the more common equipment, and benefits from the support of those equopped with more difficult to produce warmachines. Grav technology is no better than Imperial grav tech, as it is only Imperial law preventing the use of STC grav tank designs (see Horus Heresy and white dwarf articles for pre-heresy use of grav vehicles). Imperial technology is hampered by superstition; a stagnant, even declining technology base; and a vastly inferior equipment to men supply ratios.
Tau = Better equipped per person, higher quality of life and generally higher base technology level.
Imperium = Higher (by far) technology level hampered by restrictive and superstitious social/religious codes, resulting in a low level of technology-per-person.
Eldar = Engineered warrior species designed to utilise warp energy in subtle and 'technology' harnessed ways? Can you even compare this with standard technological development?
Golden Rule: Game balance destroys all fluff credibility on the table.
I would have to say Eldar then Imperials, then Tau.
However, I would imagine Eldar have weapons they havent used yet. I mean, they had millenia to perfect their technology. However with the fall, I think they would have lost a lot of it.
In fluff though, Eldar technology is deathly. Admittedly so are space marines. But if a Shuriken Cannon absolutely eats a Bolter for deadlyness, then think what Eldar's bigger weapons will be like. They were masters of the galaxy, in fluff they can dismantle armies without a single casualty.
Gotta love that.