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Do you think marines cry? Or have any other strong emotion such as love
If a Million Guardsmen die, that's a statistic. If one marine dies, that's a tragedy.
Last edited by Storm Maiden; October 19th, 2008 at 05:41.
Marines are capable of feeling the full range of human emotion; love, sadness, fear, jealousy, etc. They are psycho-conditioned to suppress them as they get in the way of duty. Essentially, Space Marines in training are brainwashed using hardship, groupthink and hypnotic suggestion. Once they are fully trained they are constantly monitored by the Chapter's Chaplains and in some cases the Librarians as well. They are monitored for any sign of wavering from the faith or mental weakness. Crying would be a sign of such a weakness whether its for a fallen comrade, at a particularly nightmarish situation or for acts that they have performed in combat. An Astartes is expected to mow down innocent civilians if ordered to by their commanders without a moments hesitation or a twinge of remorse.
Millenia of experience has shown the Imperium what happens when a Space Marines psycho-conditioning breaks down and they start to think for themselves. Astartes have a remarkably long lifespan with which to develop grudges, find fault with their masters and contemplate the heavy burdens and sacrifices they make to protect the luxury and power of Imperial nobility. Without constant monitoring and correction, eventually these ideas take hold and a Space Marine will contemplate disavowing himself of his duties to the Emperor.
When a Space Marine throws aside his oath of loyalty, all of his humanity comes rushing back to him at once. Whereas once he would face down a bloodthirster sacrificing himself without fear to protect the Imperium, now his survival is his primary concern. Once he fought for duty, but now they fight only for reward. Anger and tears, I'd imagine, are a part of the process of coming to terms with their realization that all of their life and sacrifice so far had been based on a lie.
Sure, a Marine can cry, but only if their conditioning is breaking down. Either they will be censured and forced to pay penance by their chapter or they will continue on the path to becoming a renegade.
As already mentioned very correctly, Marines are brainwashed - both by hypnotic suggestions as well as a cocktail of psychoactive drugs and even direct uplink to a neural interface. All this aims not only to induce loyalty and chapter identity, but also purge unnecessary emotions and any other weakness.
The ideal Marine is a tool of the Emperor's will. A mindless automaton bent only on the singular task of fulfilling his mission, whilst retaining his human ability of quick adaption to changes in situation. Independent thought is permitted only as much as absolutely necessary.
At least this is how the Imperium would like to have its Marines.
A history of geneseed corruption, technology devolution (which includes the equipment used in the Marine creation process) and a rise of superstition and ritual in what was once pure science has resulted in a rather instable breed of Astartes who suffer from all kinds of unwanted side-effects such as genetic deficiencies, psychosis and, of course, the risk of being subjected to emotions.
Generally, my personal interpretation of the current fluff is as follows.
A new Marine from a relatively untainted Chapter is a steadfast follower of his Chapter's rituals. Whilst his brain might still retain the physical ability to 'feel', emotions are suppressed to a state that the Marine does not even recognize them anymore. The brainwashing had left him an almost blank slate to be programmed with Chapter identity, although he might in some cases retain few memories of his old homeworld in cases where they are either deemed useful or simply cannot be removed/blocked.
After one or two centuries of service, maybe slighttly sooner - if he survives this long - the veteran may now begin to feel basic emotions again, as a spark of humanity, the last remnants of his old self, rekindle and merge with the experiences he had as a Marine, essentially birthing a new personality that is a blend of the Marine's former self and his Chapter identity. This process is slow, and it will take years to form this new personality. It is at this stage that a Marine is most vulnerable to being seduced by the Ruinous Powers - taking with him the younger Marines who, whilst untainted, only want to follow his orders.
This would at least explain certain characters in the fluff.
Last edited by Lynata; October 19th, 2008 at 08:57.
"Do you want your heretic rare, medium or well done, Lord Inquisitor?"
ok the above 2 have answerd the long and factual post i was going to do so il give the shrt one,
they can cry and for a reference see the Hourus Heresy Novels , in the last fo the first Trilogy, Horus Aximand cries as he does something because he doesnt want to but his loyalty to the warmaster forces him to (im not being spesific to avoid spoilers)
PROUD TO BE IN THE BRITISH ARMY.
~~ Surrender and serve me in life, or die and slave for me in death~~
Only when chopping onions.
It would be difficult to relate to Space Marines if they weren't emotionally human, hence why most Marine stories describe them as being emotionally normal while the fluff describes them as being hypnotized, hate-fuelled Death Cultists of Doom.
"My tanks have names, my men have numbers." -Col. Edmund Grahvess, 23rd Kronecker Prison Guard
They probably cry acid.
Or have their tear ducts replaced with micro lasers.
Chocolate and Briget Jones's diary just ain't going to cut it.