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Why is (now defunct) daemonic animosity the way it is?
Why does Khorne hate Slaanesh, when really he should hate Tzeentch as Tzeentch is far more a magic user.
Likewise, why does Slaanesh hate Khorne? They both create fearsome close combat types who both take pleasure in what they do and how they do it.
Tzeentch and Nurgle - Slaanesh should really hate Nurgle, as there is no beauty to found in disease ridden pits. Also, tzeentch is very much a changer and mutator, so seeing bloated bodies of Nurgle worshippers shouldn't be that galling to him.
Finally, how can anyone hate Nurgle anyway? He's a laughing, joking type of decent old chap - if the four chaos gods were in a pub there's only Nurgle you'd want a beer with (until you have ten pints and fancy a bit of the old slaaneshy sexiness, or demand a magic trick from Tzeentch)
I used to know the reason and the answer to this, but that information has been forcibly removed from my head by long term exposure to beer.
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Nurgle represents entropy and stasis, while Tzeentch is dynamic and ever-changing; if everything rots to mulch, change is only possible in that one linear form, and this is the cause of the dispute between Tzeentch and Nurgle.
As for Khorne and Slaanesh, i kind of agree that Tzeentch is a more natural opponent for the Blood God, but at the same time, the Blood God cares not how the killing is done, merely that it is, while Slaanesh will take it's sweet time killing things, exulting in the act rather than the infliction of carnage itself.
Going a little further out there, though Khaine is an Eldar God, it could be argued that he represents a stable and 'tame' (for the Eldar) avatar of Khorne. Essentially a being representing a stable version of Khornes aspect in the warp. Slaanesh rending this warp-god apart during the fall, if it is indeed a facet of Khorne, would not please the Blood God and may be a source of animosity. This last thought is purely personal and is not reflected in the canon in anyway.
Sokahr has it, I think..
Tzeentch's primordial instinct is to grow, while Nurgle's is to rot.. They're diametrically opposed.
Khorne and Slannesh, well.. many things there. Khorne isn't a god of sensation at all, really.. He's a god of violence. Raw, primordial violence. His followers don't 'enjoy' killing - they simply kill, over and over again.
Slannesh is the god of obsession.. Some of his followers may obsess over killing, but even there it's killing as an art form, killing as the expression of some personal whim, something to be savoured and enjoyed. All these things are abhorent to Khorne.. To a Khorne worshipper, killing isn't some silly fetish, it's the raw principle of the universe. The strong will crush the weak, it's the great truth on which all reality hinges.
While I agree there's likely some kind of relationship between Khorne and Khaine (I mean, their names are almost the same) there's plenty of scope for it to be a coincidence. If I understand right, Khaine, along with the other Eldar gods, was created by the Old Ones as a kind of sentient weapon (Like a machine made of warp-stuff instead of physical matter.) It's highly possible it became the template for Khorne, which was then accidentally birthed by the old ones' less enlightened creations (and was the first Chaos god to be born.)
Actually, Khorne uses psykers/magicians, both in 40k and Fantasy. But, he does not make use of them on the battlefield, rather he forces them to create magic weapons, guide his ships etc.
Mantis got it right.
Khaine, while the name is similar, is not an avatar of Khorne. Heck, Khaine, as a deity, is far older than the Chaos Gods, having been created way back before the War in Heaven. How the Eldar Gods were created, we have no fluff on, but my theory on it is that the raw psychic power of the Eldar race woshipping a host of deities actually made these Gods 'real' in the Warp, as the Eldar emotions pooled over thousands of years and eventually making these Gods a reality. Kinda like how they created Slaanesh, but in a positive way.
It was my impresions that Khaine was really khorne and posing as a god to the elves and leading the Dark elves astray. But the warhammer and 40k universes have grown so far apart over the addition you are most likely right.
I also strongly agree with you on the creation myth, khaine was created from the Eldars emotions and actions of violent in the early history fighting the necrons much like humanity creating Khorne fighting each other on earth.
I'm not that hot on Khaine in FB, but I do know that he is very different from Khaine in 40k. I do know that the Dark Elves, and otehrs across the world, worship him as a God of Murder, while teh High Elves see him as a God of War. The Dark Elves claim that he is a seperate deity, but some suspect that he is eitehr an aspect of Khorne, or a entity of Khorne who have grown independant. IIRC, the Chaos Dwarf's primary deity, Hashut, was also a daemon of Khorne who became independant, and the Horned Rat is an aspect of Nurgle, so that Khaine is an offshot of Khorne is certainly not impossible.
hmmm? waddya talkin about? i always thought it was tzneectch vs khorne and nurgle vs slaneesh.
where are you guy's getting your info on the animosity issues?
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Khorne just wants to bash your skull in, Slannesh wants to torture you for days before killing you slowly and painfully. Ironicly enough Khorne doesn't want your death to be painful, but thats incidental since your suffering would power slannesh. So i guess beheading is popular in khornes camp, not only because of the skulls for the skull thorne, but as far as I know that is one of the only ways to kill someone, have alot of blood involved and suffering to be at a minimal.
Last edited by Hashulaman; October 27th, 2008 at 07:55.
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