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From never really thinking or reading beyond Space Marines fluff wise I have found myself drawn to the Inquisition novels and stories lately, and it's some of the best stuff I have read.
The conspiracy, the politics and the different methods of doing things makes for interesting reading.
So which faction in your opinion is 'right'?
The thorians - wanting to have the Emperor live again, leading mankind as he did back in't day.
The Monodominists - wanting to kill everything that isn't the Emperors vision of mankind in the hope that one day natural selection overtakes all the races and mankind rules the galaxy.
The Amalthians - have a very Alpharius-esque outlook on things (if you've read Legion) in that they want to simply perpetuate the existance of man, progressing slowly and resistant to change.
The Xanthites - want to harness the power of chaos, believing that Chaos is just an extension of mankind
The Recongregators - wanting to undermine the Imperium from within, replacing corrupt and stagnant leaders with those willing to change the Imperium for the better. Basically believe that the Imperium is slowly falling apart due to stagnation and corruption.
The Istvaanians - orchestrating wars against mankind so that through battle mankind becomes stronger. Almost a survival of the fittest mentality so that no matter what befalls mankind it will always be prepared and will survive.
Obviously none of them are 'right' but hopefully there is a bit of shared interest in this subject for folk to share their opinions on it, because this is fast becoming the most interesting part of the fluff for me.
For what it's worth, if I was a 40k Inquisitor I'd probably be of the Recongregator faction. The Imperium is rotten and corrupt, too bureaucratic to ever get anything done, too big brother-esque.
These are things about the world today that I hate the most, so I identify with it in a fictional/extreme kind of way.
That said, if there was one particular faction that is 'right' in what they think, it's probably the Xanthites - Chaos is just an extension of man, formed by our thoughts and feelings, so why not embrace it? If it can be controlled then it ceases to become chaotic, and then chaos ceases to exist - if more Imperials embraced this philosophy to use for the benefit of mankind then they could, in effect, destroy what the chaos gods stand for, destroy their appeal to the common man.
Anyone interested in this that can teach me a thing or two?
I can't say I've seen it all but I live for the things that keep me hollow.
The thorians - good idea, would be great for the Emperor to come back and lead mankind. Alas, nobody knows how to bring him back or if it safe to do so. The Emperor is the only thing keeping the Golden Throne running, the Golden Throne keeps the Imperial Webway closed. Should it open, Daemons will have a permanent entrance to Earth, right in the centre of the Imperial palace!
The Monodominists - Bit misquided, but I can see where they are coming from. Purge the weak and hope that the strong breed even stronger offspring. It works to some degree, see Catachans. Unfortunately you will have a very hard time fighting evolution, and man is evolving into a psychic race that will either save mankind or doom it to a quick death.
The Amalthians - Stagnation will lead to the eventual death of Mankind, but change might cause mankind to be wiped out faster. A Silly bunch who need to see that the Imperium itself is slowly crumbling and action is required to solve the issue.
The Xanthites - Chaos is an extension of man (to some extent) but embracing it is the worst thing you can do. Chaos is power, and power corrupts. If mankind went over to Chaos completely, the universe would be destroyed and become the domain of Daemons VERY quickly. Luckily the Emperor is holding back the Daemons as best he can.
The Recongregators - The Imperium needs change, but this method is dangerous in the extreme. Mankind cannot function without an Imperium, even a corrupt decaying Imperium is better than nothing. By letting such individuals have power, you can undermine the strength of the Imperium and even cause civil war, leaving mankind easy prey to its enemies.
The Istvaanians - Works to a degree, but mankind has enough wars to fight without creating more. Tyranids, Necrons, Orks and rebels are enough to deal with.
I think the best thing the Inquisition can do is keep the rebels in check, keep psykers under close watch, keep alert for any cults and ensure as many fighting men as possible are available to send off to the Tyrranic war.
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Thorians don't necessarily want to bring the Emperor back, that's resurrectionism and its a radical heresy (in fact, it's the original radicalism, dating from the founding of the Inquisition.) What they believe is that the Emperor is still out there in the warp and occasionally, at times critical to the Imperium, a portion of his power will touch a human host. Thorians are generally concerned with finding/observing/helping living saints, rather than attempting to revive the Emperor.
Otherwise, noone is right.. It's not like any of them picked these positions overnight. Inquisitors are very smart people who are trained to think differently and see the big picture, and these general philosophical schools are all very tried and tested responses. Inquisitors wouldn't support these positions if they were fundamentally flawed..
What do I think though..
Thorians - Have got the wrong end of the stick, in my opinion. Does it matter if person X is a saint or not, really? They still did the same things whether they were 'touched by the Emperor' or not. Thorians do research psychic powers and stuff though, which I suppose might be can be practically useful.
Monodominants - Are too Orthodox for me.. Mankind is great, mankind has a manifest destiny, bla bla bla.. The unfortunate thing is that this kind of thinking breeds complacency. If mankind is going to dominate the galaxy regardless, why bother trying to make it so.
Amalathians - Credit where credit's due, the status quo does seem to have worked pretty well.. Unfortunately, circumstances do change, and the status quo might not be the best option forever. I don't think they're conceptually innovative enough to deal with some of the newer threats in the 40k galaxy.
Xanthites - Have a very interesting position, especially the Horusians, because there's so much potential for it to work, and to put massive power into the hands of mankind. However, they're dealing with such elite and dangerous concepts it's hard to see how they'd ever apply them. A strong willed Inquisitor with several human lifetimes of training may be able to use chaos safely, but Joe guardsman will never be able to.
Recognators - Too straightforward, too moralistic.. I mean, who is to say what the 'right' form of Imperial government would be anyway. As mentioned, the status quo really has been working. I bet if you got 10 different Recognators in the room you'd get 10 different visions of positive change, most of which would probably contradict each other.
Istvanian - My personal favourite.. I'm not convinced they're 'right' but they do actually have a plan for the present, which is nice. Things are strengthened through opposition.. not just in the physical sense, but also in the conceptual sense as they gain a power to define themselves. Thus, by sowing rebellion, you also promote loyalty, for example, because people will need some way to resist the rebels. It's a bit of a long view, but it does make a degree of sense.
Last edited by The_Giant_Mantis; November 15th, 2008 at 20:03.
I vote Recongregators, although I never thought of them as being Radicals. The abusive exploitation by the corrupt and ruthless is what makes Chaos look like the easy way out in the first place. The Monodominants are pretty good too, but I don't think they care about halting mutation as much as they really should. The Istvaanians...well, with them around you don't need Chaos in the first place. They'll burn the galaxy themselves given half a chance.
The Xanthites will be ones who win, however. Humanity doesn't have much of a material future--too many enemies can and will destroy us all unless we develop some serious, large-scale psychic ability. Even if the material galaxy was conquered by the Imperium, Chaos would still win when the Emperor finishes dying. We need a Plan B for when that happens and only the Xanthites have one.
"My tanks have names, my men have numbers." -Col. Edmund Grahvess, 23rd Kronecker Prison Guard
Chaos has won already, until the last of mankind dies and there is no one left to worship it.
Is there a case for Istvaanian inquisitors to have a hand in the Crimson Fists homeworld disaster, and other such accidents to befall space marine chapters?
Million to one shot destroys fortress monastery and almost the entire chapter?
The CF's have history of working alongside the Inquisition, mayhap an Istvaanian type would make the chapter stronger by destroying most of it?
I can't say I've seen it all but I live for the things that keep me hollow.
The Amalathians are the group I most agree with. They tend to allow enough moral grey to allow themselves to operate in the 40k universe without letting extremism overpower them. They also acknowledge that the present state of the imperium isn't right and needs to change but they don't want to make any mistakes that would drift the imperium in the wrong direction. This causes them to moves slowly in the right direction. Their problem is that they move too slowly (especially with all the new threats emerging such as the Tyranids, Necrons, and Tau) and they are just a single faction so the others can counter them if there aren't enough of them.
'An open mind is like a fortress with its walls unguarded and its gates wide open' -Blood Ravens
You're also talking about a ridiculous level of control. Istvaanian Inquisitors don't engineer things on that micro scale. I don't think that level of control is even possible. Istvaanians provoke, goad, act as closet patrons and reveal key information at critical times, I can't see how, or why, they'd blow up 90% of a marine chapter with precision strikes.
It's a controversial position, but it's got the best interests of the Imperium in mind. The Crimson Fist thing was too big, and hasn't really consolidated them so much as pushed them dangerously close to extinction.