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seen how its the future an all what happend to the fantasy lizardmen, bretonia,and skaven. i know the dwarves and tomb king where destroyed.
is it even the same universe
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If I remember correctly, both settings were originally supposed to be related to each other - but at some point, GW pulled the plug and settled the WHF background to another planet ... presumably to let the 40k setting appear as a possible future for our own Earth.
Then again, you could easily place the Old World into the 40k setting by simply declaring it's some planet that got separated from the rest of the universe by warp storms.
In a Warhammer Fantasy P&P I'm playing in, the DM hinted at possibly having our characters make exactly this discovery and then port them over into the 40k Dark Heresy ruleset. So far it's only been an idea though.
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Im pretty sure GW has hinted at Sigmar being a space marine primarch YEARS ago, but like the above poster said they pulled the plug on it, I could easily see it being an Exodite world(High Elves/Dark Elves?) with some other races on it covered in a Warp Storm.
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now i know GW say the worlds are seperated, but i don't see why.
It's very easy to claim the fantasy world is an old one experiment to find a perfect race that was attacked and destroyed by necrons. simple, done. No nosense with warp storms and trying to set it in the 40K time, it would be way before.
The way it's always been explained to me is that it is the same universe. The planet has been cut off by warp storms. This explains the same chaos gods and demons as well as a few other things.
The only constant in the universe is change, adapt or die.
The Fantasy world and the 40K universe don't need to exist in the same universe, even though they both have Chaos, Orks, Eldar/Elves, etc.. in the same way Fantasy doesn't need to exist in the same universe as Middle-Earth, even though they both have Orks, Elves, Halflings, Dwarves...
And finally, one simple explanation as to why there are so many similarities (Orks, Chaos, etc.)......
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The way I see it, they're more like parallel universes than the same universe. I mean, there are some similarities, and a lot of differences. Even the laws of the universe work differently - magic is not psychic power, though they are quite similar. Not to mention, many of the 40k versions of the respective species are totally different. Orks in 40k are asexual fungus aliens. Orks in Fantasy are never implied to be either asexual or fungus-based.
I think if there's a connection, it's via the warp. I mean, the Old Ones travelled dimensions, so maybe they appeared in both universes. Maybe the warp gates they built could travel from Fantasy universe to 40k universe and back again. But, we all know what happened to them. Similarly, maybe the Chaos Gods are the same beings - does it matter, they're so abstract noone's going to find out.
I think the 'warp storm planet' thing is a bit odd, myself.. It's something which seems to have been passed around until it's reached the status of canon without anyone questioning where it came from.
Back in the Rogue Trader era fluff the two systems were set in the same universe. If I remember correctly the fantasy setting was either an Exodite or Maiden world colonized by humans during the early age of strife and isolated by the galaxy/universe wide warp storms which are now Slaneesh's birthing pains.
Since then GW has split them so they could develop the background of each universe in a more coherent and mature fashion. A large part of this was because keeping the links between the fantasy races and their 40k counterparts was starting to result in silly fluff.
After the split Eldar could be developed without the baggage of being perceived as space elves, the emergence and personalities of the gods (not just the chaos gods) could be properly integrated into the respective universes, advanced tech could no longer be taken in fantasy games, and "They Who Shall Not Be Named" were dropped.
This happened after a number of things had been used in both backgrounds (such as the names of the chaos gods), which is why there are "fossilised" similarities. Interestingly, orks were about the only race that could coherently use the same psychology and motivation between the systems.
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