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Space Marines are more or less self sufficeint and it seems at times they are their own soverign force. WHere is the line drawn though? Who do the chapters take orders from? Inquisitors? The High Lords of Terra? If a planetary governor or IG general/Commisar gives them an order, do they have to follow it? Do they have the authroity to refuse the orders or kill IG commanders/commisars, or even inquisitors if they feel said suprirors are not helping but hurting the cause?
Last edited by Hashulaman; December 12th, 2008 at 23:44.
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There is no line. The only person they have to take orders from is the Emperor.
They may take advice from an Inquisitor, and it's usually not a good idea to actively move against the Inquisition or the High Lords of Terra.
And they'll sometimes follow other Chapter Masters if they're more experienced, but never permanently.
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Technically yes, the Emperor (and higher ups within their own chapter) are the only people Marines would have to take orders from.
In practice refusing an order from an Inquisitor when there is a chance that the Inquisition as a whole might find out is not a clever thing to do. Not if the chapter doesnt suddenly want to find itself the bearer of a title with the word Excommunicate or something similar in it somewhere.
They often refuse orders from Imperial commaders who are not Space Marines (even lord generals and probably warmasters) - there is a bit of fluff somewhere about a Marine squad fighting to a beleagured Guard unit only to turn and leave when they found out the unit in question was an Ogryn Auxilia.
Killing high ranking people....not sure, but again, it would not reflect too well on the Chapter. Too many such events and people whose job it is to be suspicious might start getting suspicious.
The galaxy is a big place however, and there is no limit to the amount of things that could be gotten away with, or covered up, or just ignored in favour of not pissing off or declaring renegade a Marine Chapter.
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Yup. The marines have that special sort of soverignty that goes something like "I'm bigger, I'm badder, and I've got a 0.75 caliber explosive-tipped penetrator round with your name on it if you want to disagree about it!".
Short of the big guy himself or a very serious order from the high lords, Marines really only have to listen to other people if they feel like it. Of course, life is made significantly easier by co-operating with the more dangerous of those other people, but it's by no means mandatory.
The Imperium doesn't order the Adeptus Astartes around, they send out requests for assistance. Since the Marines take their jobs seriously as defenders of Man it usually works out for the best.
Imperial Armour has some good examples of Marines acting autonomously, refusing orders, planning missions on their own and so forth.
Basically they are like the Templars. In theory autonomous but still need the support of the ruling bodies.
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It's hard for us to realte to the command structure of the space marines and how they fit into the Imperium as a whole becaue they function in a way that no longer exists! These days the military is under control by the government in most, if not all of the developed countries. But look at thailand where the military acts independently from the government.
The Space marines are like this, they may be requested to grant aid, but they themselves decide to do so and, perhaps, on what terms.
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Another point is that each and every Chapter Master is a Peer of the Imperium. This places tham on a level with sector governors and the Lords of Terra - though they do not automatically hold seats on that council (I do seem to remember that the Chapter Master of the Imperal Fists does hold a seat, as the IF homeworld is Terra).
Relations/restrictions between Chapters an other Imperial Organisations arise from the politics rather than any constitutional hierachy.
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The Adeptus Astartes are completely autonomous to the Imperial rule. Each Chapter is, by itself, a sovereign body.
There exists a fine line that keeps the Astartes in league with the Imperium - heavy psycho-indoctrination. They are the Emperor's children to the end, and so long as the Imperium should still serve the Immortal Emperor the Astartes Chapters will continue to fight by their side.
There exists another fine line that keeps the Imperium in league with the Astartes, nobody wants to lead a crusade against a Space Marine Chapter; No Chapter wants the Imperium as its enemy. It rarely ever comes to such extremes though, as it is recognized that they have similar goals.
To sum it up, Space Marines do not take orders from anybody save their superiors within their own Chapter, but don't often refuse to help when warranted as they understand the gravity of the threats against mankind.
On another note, just an example of the dynamic that can take place between the Imperium and a Chapter. Space Wolves have a long and outstanding reputation of disobeying - and even causing the deaths of (though usually not directly) - Inquisitors who attempt to assume command over them. The Inquisition as a whole doesn't mind, as they generally know better than to dictate orders to a Wolf Lord. And besides, what right minded Inquisitorial institution would wage war with the Sons of Russ? They are necessary, as the southern portion of Segmentum Obscurus would likely fall apart without them. Which would be bad... considering they act as a sort of buffer between the Eye of Terror and Segmentum Solar.
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