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Okay... I've been thinking about this for a while now and would like everyone's thoughts on it. The tiny bit of Dark Eldar background that we actually have seems just a little 2-dimensional to me. It's all a bit "we have spikes, therefore we're very evil and want to hurt you". Anyway, I thought for something different I might try and make up some fluff about a Dark Eldar Kabal who are depraved, self indulgent and quite bonkers but actually have a reason to be killing thousands of people/orks/bunnies a day.
Anyway, to my question: Would it be plausable to have a Kabal of followers of Ynnead (the eldar god of death)?? The jist of it was that they raid, pillage and torture like every other Dark Eldar to:
a) Keep their own soul strong to empower Ynnead upon their death.
b) Secure soulstones through their enemies (ie. trophies taken by other races, through favors for the harlequins(possibly), slaughtering craftworlders that want to start something, Crone World assaults(although unlikely due to the whole 'soul sucking' thing) etc.)
c) To gain support within Commorragh.
The 'feeding' of their own soul's would be done via some sort of ritualised suicide, which would probably be forced upon the lesser ranks. Basically, they're just as depraved as everyone else but are looking a little bit into their own future, sort of a 'for the greater good of the eldar race and screw the rest, including most of the eldar race, as long as I'm with the guys who win it's allll good.'
Anyway, I'm babbling. So could a Cult of Ynnead exist within the Dark Eldar society?
Note: I asked one of my mates about this and he said it was a terrible, 'failcake' idea and could never work. He also thinks the Dark Eldar should be Slaanesh followers. Thought I'd ask the experts.
Kabal of the Twilight Blade - Host of Tecpatl - Salamanders 3rd
Dark eldar do not follow slannesh they keep using all those souls to keep him/her/it from eating them. If they could get rid of slannesh they would do so in a heart beat. Having said that I find the idea of dark eldar working to bring ynnead to life hard to phathom. Ynnead is being built from the collective eldar souls in the infinity circuits (sp? ) dark eldar do not use spirit stones when they die slannesh gets them if they used spirit stones they would need to be in a seperate circuit from the rest of the eldar because of their violent nature (exarchs are already in their own spots inside circuits because of the violent nature of them so maybe it could work? ). Lastly Ynnead is a craftworld idea dark eldar generally see craftworlders as weak and warped versions of what eldar are so working to further a craftworld idea is improbable for the true kin.
So hang on... I don't know ANY dark eldar fluff but what you're saying is that these people know their souls will go to slaanesh when they die?
Therefore they embark on a life of constant warfare instead of hiding on some backwater planning growing lettuce?
Slannesh is slowly draining them they get the souls of their enemies and use it to keep slannesh from eating them. If they didn't go around collecting all the souls they would die painful deaths at the hands of Slannesh, they could go over to the craftworld way of the paths and spirit stones but they believe that they should be free to indulge in the acts that give them pleasure and shouldn't have to hold in their emotions. The fact that they can kill alot of people while getting the souls is just icing on the cake as they love to fight and kill.
Take that as a no then. I really wish there was more Dark Eldar fluff out there, it's hard to keep them interesting without getting too far (as I seem to have done). And I am aware that Dark Eldar don't worship Slaanesh... just threw that in there to show that I didn't value this particular friend's oppinion about the true kin all that highly. he is a Space Marine fanboy after all I figured maybe the harlequin connection might be able to 'slot them in' to the infinity circuit, not really sure how all that works. Do the Harlequins even believe in Ynnead or is that strictly a Craftworld thing?
The main reason I've been thinking about this is that I can't seem to figure out how to get Craftworlders and Kabalites to fight on the same side, at least for a short time anyway (possibly for a campain). Although nothing in the DE codex really says that the DE and Craftworlders would go out of their way to fight eachother, GW seems to hint at that sort of thing in White Dwarf and some little things in codecies. Personally, I thought they would see eachother as 'misguided cousins' more than mortal enemies.
Anyway, babbling again.
thanks for the replies.
Kabal of the Twilight Blade - Host of Tecpatl - Salamanders 3rd
When harlies die they go to the laughing god so they don't need the spirit stones and the like ( notable exception is the solitaire that dies and is eaten by slannesh ). I'm unsure if they believe in helping the craftworld eldar create Ynnead or not though. One of the biggest reasons the two sides would fight together is to keep chaos out of the webway. You could do a campaign with arhiman (sp? ) and chaos forces trying to fight through part of the webway to the black library all eldar, dark/craft/harlie would fight that. The harlies could also get some of them to work together for short periods of time as they can talk to both sides.
Not meaning to be TOO confrontational here, but I've never really liked the idea of dark eldar or their fluff - it seemed far far too much like a "40k dark elf" concept rather than an introduction that was genuinely added on it's own merit. I've often thought GW have felt the same, hence not updating the codex etc.
Anyone else feel the same?
Problems I can see..
1. Ynnead is a prophecy, therefore you need prophetic powers to divine the posibility. Dark Eldar don't embrace their psychic powers any more than you'd embrace being smeared with chum before going swimming with sharks. The only way I can see them discovering such a thing in the first place is torturing it out of a captured farseer.
2. As mentioned, Ynnead is meant to be formed from the souls of the Eldar in the infinity circuit. Dark Eldar have access to neither soul stones nor an infinity circuit. They don't even use wraithbone. Their technology works on a very different paradigm. The prophecy also implies that Ynnead will only be formed when the Eldar race is completely extinct. It's the God formed from the death of the entire species.
3. Dark Eldar have no control over what happens to their souls. Canonically, they all go to Slannesh, which is why they all seek to prolong their lives as long as possible through consuming the souls of others (without which, they would wither away and die.) It's not even about keeping their souls strong, it's about trying to cheat death for as long as possible. It does work, in a way, Asurbadael Vect was alive at the fall of the Eldar, and probably hasn't aged more than a few years. Eldrad just about managed that with his body slowly turning to crystal.
4. I'd refrain from even thinking of Eldar and Dark Eldar having too much in common. Physically, they might be kind of similar, but psychically and culturally they're totally different beings. Eldar have far more flexible minds than humans, and their thought processes can be very wierd and extreme.
5. Given the Dark Eldar need to acquire souls, it's hard to see them really working with anyone for long except as some form of trickery or deception before stabbing them in the back and carting them off to Commoragh. They aren't just 'evil for fun' or 'evil for the sake of being evil', they need to do certain things to stay alive and avoid their truly horrible fate. Of course, it's not hard to think up a situation where Eldar and Dark Eldar might fight together, but they're not even 'misguided cousins,' and canonically there really is little love lost between them.
Wierdly, Dark Eldar are actually far closer to being the 'real' Eldar. Culturally and psychologically, they're far closer to the pre-fall Eldar than the craftworlders. Craftworlders originated as wierd self-flagellating apocalypse cults, and in many ways they still are.
As for the Codex, anything with Eldar on it is always going to be updated infrequently. This is a copywrite issue and it's clearly something which really stings for GW. It's the reason you have to sign over everything and your soul if you ever submit anything to the Black Library.
Eldar and Dark Eldar could surely fight together - for a while. But thats it. Craftworlders must realize that and so they better get their fastest ships for retreat after they've beaten chaos. Which is also only enemy that Eldar as a race could unify against given their long relationship.
On the DE sacrifice for Slaanesh thing, I and hopefully everyone here knows this is not the case. Simple thing, have you ever read any fluff concerning Slaanesh feeding on anything than Eldar? Surely souls of Eldar and Gretchin are so alike that She Who Thirsts wont notice a thing.