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I was just wondering if there was any fluff written about civilian life in the Imperium?
I imagine it as very Orwellian and would love to read more!
The civilians are only touched-upon in other books. The Ravenor (Dan Abnett) series makes a lot of references to civilians, especially since his team is technically made up of them.
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There is some info in the 40K rulebook. It talks about a generally grinding existence and toiling for hours everyday with only a little sleep. However I think it was a little narrow of the authour to specify that as the Imperium has always been huge and has countless different ways of life. What life is like is often dictated by the planet somebody is born on. Being born on a factory world would give the option of working all day or turning to crime. There would be little overall choice in either area though.
Being born on a jungle planet would probably offer much more freedom in what to do. There would be the needed things of growing crops and so on. The jungle may but not always contain huge, homicidal monsters. Living on an agri world would be more pleasant but very bland, growing food or doing something to support the growing of food is the only thing to do. Because it's just food on this world and plenty of it becoming an outlaw would be pointless.
As far the Orwellian stuff goes it would vary. The Imperium consists of the Administratum which is in overall control. Planetary govenors run their worlds however they like. Local laws are up to them as long as they don't violate overall Imperial law. Psykers must be gathered up to be examined and the threat or uses they have determined. This may be done by getting a test in a clinic and given a while to prepare to leave your home. Or it could be done by a network of spies and dragging people out of their homes in the middle of the night with bags over their heads. As long as the Imperium is obeyed how it is obeyed is up to the locals.
Often some things are serious crimes on one planet and legal on another. This is to do with the attitudes of the locals and some planets will have loads of laws where others have few. The Imperium is very oppressive and will demand absolute obedience will being entirely unsympathetic. Planetary govenors are sometimes very brutal and Orwellian. However they can be very open minded too, which can open the door for aliens etc. It all depends on the kind of planet and what life will be like there just because of it's type. Then there is how important the planet is to the Imperium and how much it will be keeping an eye on things and want it to be well ordered. There is also the Govenor. Depending on them life can be very brutal and cruel or it can be fairly decent.
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The Dark Heresy book says that most Imperial worlds have a 'siege mentality', even when they haven't seen actual combat for centuries. Keep your head down, sacrifice for the common good, and, no matter how bad things get, always remember that there are worse things lurking "out there". Imagine an entire civilization that is so scared of the dark that they all have night lights in their bedrooms and you have the overall idea. Kind of a sad attitude to have, but one that is frequently justified in the 40k universe.
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in the dark...
waiting to come out!
And I know its technically "up there", but I wanted a Trap Door reference.
I suppose that when you are under siege a siege mentality is not only justfied but a damn good idea.
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I always saw it as being very oppressive and communist like (not sure if I can say that but no offence is intended to anyone) in the major systems with Ultramar sector being an exception. Everything is done for the good of the Imperium/Emperor etc.
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Eh, I'd say more feudal than stalinist.
As far as future civvy fluff goes, if you want to know about life in an orwellian climate, why read something by GW when you can just read the books by the guy they stole their ideas from? :3
(Though actually life in 1984 isn't quite that bad. Oh sure, people watch you, and then they torture you a little, and a few people get blown up by random missiles, but 40k stuff is just a teensy tiny bit more depressing.)
So yeah, feudal. While people might complain about how bad Stalin was and how Orwellian futures are bad, they just conveniently forget that the dark ages were called dark for a reason, with serfs being basically glorified slaves, constant dangers looming around in the form of diseases and the occasional raiders, and while the inquisition might not've appeared just yet, there was quite the oppression of dissenting views beforehand I should imagine.
The terror part of the french rebellion also sucked, though that was more in paris than anything... didn't last that long either...
Hah! We got into politics after all!
Less of the politics I think especially when related to dodgy history......
The Dark ages are called the dark ages because we don't know a huge amount about them not because they were particularly awful times to live.
The Byzantine Empire also Christian had a Golden Age during this period.
Anyway Dark Heresy has a fair bit of info on civilian life. Basically it depends o nthe world. Quite often you are either looking at a medieval mindset or anarchy.
Its worth distinguishing between the Imperium and the planetary governor.
The Imperium absolutely 100% does not care how a planet is governed as long as the Emperor is given due respect and worship, tithes are paid (including psykers) and men provided for the military.
The Imperium also has no concept of 'human rights' hence the widespread totalitarian regiemes.
However it is mentioned that there are government types of all descriptions including (very rare) democracies.
Last edited by Visitor Q; February 14th, 2009 at 18:17.
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