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As I've been reading up on the Horus heresy and the traitor/loyalist legions in general, I thought a topic such as this would be kind of interesting. I know that these choices reflect on the armies people play with, but not everyone plays marines and in real life the decisions could differ.
So my question is the following: If you lived in the 40k universe and could choose to be a loyalist or a traitor, which one would you be and why?
I personally would be a traitor. Free to make my own decisions (even though the end result is just warfare, loyalist OR traitor) instead of living a life of servitude. And it doesn't really matter to me if I'd end up just killing either ways, but it's rather the principle of the decision that counts.
MAKE YOUR CHOICE!
Both sides have things that would seduce you into sticking around with them. Now the problem is, when you say loyalist or traitor, do you mean regular human, guardsman, space marine - or what?
I think you're operating under the assumption that there's a 'choice' to be made. No one chose anything in this case. The choices that are made are only made by those very high up, few people got to make any 'choice' at all during the Horus Heresy or as I like to call it, the Horus Revolution (go Horus, yay!).
Even though personally speaking, I'm a bit of an a-hole in how I treat people in real life, I've always liked the 'Paladin' character in all role-playing fantasy games. I like the idea of selflessness, of honour, of putting others before you, not accepting reward money and protecting the innocent. But those virtues do not correspond to either Loyalists or Traitors. Maybe some might, but not all of them.
For there to be true Righteousness, true Paladinesque qualities, said Space Marine would have to operate outside the bounds of the Chaos Gods as well as the Imperium. He or the chapter in question would have to be rogue, or renegade if you will. In my humble perspective, in my Dusk Phantom series, Desmond is the Paladin - who rejects the Imperium and sides with Chaos in so far as it allows him to accomplish his true goals.
So... to answer your question, I'd say neither and both at the same time. It's too black and white for me, Or rather black and black. I'm more gray, or gray-white as it were.
^ To answer your question lets say that you'd be a soldier in general, loyalist or traitor.
And about the choice thing, lets say hypothetically you could just "warp" into your choice, not actually have to find and join a traitor/loyalist legion.
It is a very hard choice, but I eventually chose loyalist for several reasons.
1) It would rock to become a techpriest. If I were stuck in the 40k universe then I would do everything I could in order to join the ranks of the Adeptus Mechanicus.
2) I might have the chance to run off with the Tau, which would, in my opinion, be the optimal solution. Life in the Tau Empire would be infinitely better than both the Imperium and as a rebel.
3) Mutation would be a pain.
^Damn goody two-shoes....
CHAOS WILL RULE!
I pick Traitor, cuz the choas gods do no restrict you as much as the false emperor. Sometime hard choices need to be made and when they do, its usauly best not to be held accountable for it. Sometimes, you just need to crush your oppenets with extreme hatred. I'm writing a series of short stories about a choas cursade, and it explores the relationship between good and evil. do you want me to tell you when Chapter 1 is ready?
Well, I’m a bit spineless so it would depend on who came knocking on my door. If it’s an Imperial Guard Commissar: Loyalist all the way. If it’s a Chaos Space Marine: break out the eight pointed stars!
I think it's best not to get involved when two juggernauts like the Imperium and Chaos slug it out. If I could get out of the Emperor's ranks and go form my own band of mercenaries, that's what I would do. If not, I'd have to be a loyalist lapdog (which is what I voted as). I wouldn't be a Space Marine though. The whole process freaks me out. You can keep that Mucranoid to yourself, thank-you-very-much!
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