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Greetings my friends, a small request. Does anyone have the specs for the MK VIII Errant Pattern Armour? Or the MK VII Aquila Pattern Armour for that matter. What I mean by that is while I know that it protects from the vacuum of space and is resilient to small arms fire and so on, I was hoping someone could go into more detail as to what protection they afford. And I mean without sparing a single detail...
I need to know up to what temperatures they can be exposed, both freezing and high temperature, how much weight one can handle before breaking, such as for instance if a Squiggoth was to trample a space marine. Whether anything can corrode or erode them, basically how far can it be pushed until it breaks is my question. The more specifics I can get the better.
If you happen to know of a site that has all of these, I'd love to check it out. Lexicanum has only vague descriptions of the armour's specifics, and I'm afraid I don't have any of the Space Marine codices, just the Chaos Space Marine ones (and not the newest one in fact). So if anyone has access to any of that stuff, and I mean the more detailed and boring details the better, I'd love to have a read of it, or if you could post the facts here, no matter how small they are, if you have numbers - please do ^^
Forge World books Tarros and Siege of Vrax and Project Anphelion will have this stuff in them....
I will go check it out now.
EDIT: The info isn't quite as explicit as what you are looking for but I can glean is as follows.
Power Armour is designed to withstand most types of basic munitions up to and including auto cannon rounds. An auto cannon round will knock a marine over but not kill him.
Power armour can withstand absolute zero [ref: Tarros Campaign]
Heat level tolerance is unclear. Certainly there are cooing systems that will protect the wearer from roasting in even the most extreme heat but I don't know what level of heat the armour itself can withstand.
During the siege of Vrax the only casualty the Dark Angel strike force took was a Terminator struck by a direct melta blast. [ref: Siege of Vrax. Battle for the Space Port]
This would suggest that power armour certainly can't withstand this level of heat.
That saidexo-armour (the fore runner for Terminator Armour_ was designed to protect those working in plasma reactor shields or corrosive environments [ref: Project Anphelion pg15].
Termiantor Armour can withstand the full impact of a collision with high speed space debris (chunks of astroid and space vessels and the like) [ref: Ibid pg 15]
To me this suggests first just how strong Terminator and power armour is but also that the munitions used by the known races are extremely powerful.
Last edited by Visitor Q; March 15th, 2009 at 14:15.
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Hmm well that does at least give me something to go on. Thanks Q. Just wish I had some actual figures, I'd hate to make them up myself and be wrong. I suppose a few specific questions wouldn't hurt. I wonder if there's a way I could contact someone from GW or Black Library and get them to give me the specs...
The reason I ask is for a number of futuristic scenarios, such as, is ceramite actually strong enough to withstand a chainsword slash.
If it strong enough that if a space marine stands behind or under the exhaust port of a rocket which then blasts off with a huge flame, will survive after getting thrown a few hundred feet away.
If their armour strong enough that a regularly outfitted space marine can withstand the vacuum of space if a whole is blown into his ship and he gets sucked out.
Will a space marine survive if he falls into a pit of magma and it takes him, let's say, three seconds to get out of it. Will the armour protect him long enough to get out.
And finally, couplied with a refactor field generator similar to the rosarius, how much 'invulnerability' would the Space Marine in question have?
(In case anyone has the figures though like how many temperature degrees and whatnot I'd still like to know ^^)
1 - Yes, by far. The joints are penetrable however.
2 - Unknown, Terminator armour almost certainly, but power armour possibly not. Of course if he is being thrown through the air there is a chance of the marine inside the armour not being entirely okay while the armour remains fine. It would probably burn out the auto-senses in his helmet too.
3 - Yes.
4 - Unlikely. If Titans get knackered by magma in a fairly short amount of time (minutes if I didnt miss a crucial line in Mechanicum) a marine would not have a good time - the armour could probably survive a few seconds exposure, but falling into a pit of it he would not be able to get out in a hurry. Moving through treacle is difficult, moving through treacle that breaks titans is probably impossible.
5 - A lot. Complete invulnerability to small arms (whereas power armour is practically impervious to most things, the joints are the problem - a force field goes a long way to solving that problem) and probably to small-scale anti-tank fire as well. Heavy artillery and up would probably leave him thoroughly dismembered however.
Unless I am completely wrong on all counts however.
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Thanks Beardy, that gives me a little bit more to work with. It's just too bad there aren't any specifics out there. I wrote to GW a lengthy email, let's hope they answer. And I'll post whatever I get as an answer here. It's just frustrating that I can't continue writing until I find out those little things... like the temperature to a degree precise or even round-about. The pressure in psi needed to crush the armor and so on and so forth. I think those stats would benefit everyone in the fluff forum and satisfy a lot of curiosities.
It'll be a cold day in hell if you get any information like that.
Forgive my sarcasm, but GW have never released that detailed info on the different armours that the races wear. We just know they many are "really strong". Marine-related armour has a bit more info on it, but not a lot.
Question: Why would you need the *precise* specifics? It's hardly your run-of-the-mill fluff question.
I believe 'Storm of Iron' has an incident when a Terminator gets stepped on by a Warhound titan without any serious damage. Of course, this is Black Library and the authors are known to go a bit nuts with the artistic license sometimes.
Stuff like melta and plasma is incredibly hot and melts through power armour, and all other materials, with ease.
Why do I need precise specifics?
That's a really good question, and one I can't answer without sounding imensely crazy. Here goes: I need them because Desmond knows them. And how can he 'know' them if I don't write it down. Is the reader just supposed to take my word for it that he knows how many pounds per square inch it takes to crush a space marine's helmet when he's testing pressure on his new Mark 8 armour? Am I supposed to just pull some random figure out of my ass? Hehe - no. I really want the knitty-gritty of the specs and someone out there's gotta have them.
There must be some piece of literature out there, where there's a scene where the Emperor is looking over the first suit used to Crusade Pattern Armour, and the artificier is telling him. 'This suit is able to resist up to 400 °C down to -200 °C' then the pressure, obviously they can resist one 'earth' atmosphere which is 15 psi, they can also reist 0 atmospheres, space. But how much can they resist if they were in a high density atmosphere, or if they were let's say under water? Could a space marine's power armor allow him to survive let's say in the Mariana's Trench? With over one thousand atmospheres compressing him? By my calculations about 1092 - which would be 16'380 pounds per square inch. I have no clue if power armor can withstand that, heck a military submarine of today can't stand that.
But I'd still like to know. Wouldn't you?
Aye, GW, even when they do say numbers tend to go "This sounds cool and impressive" and leave it at that. So does Black Library, for that matter.
As for PSI, in the space wolf novels (I forget which one), Ragnar survives being chewed on by the local apex predator on a catachan-style deathworld, with nothing but scratches and dents. In Brothers of the Snake, a ork crushes a marine's head (helmet and all) with his jaws. This isn't specific by any means, but I hope it helps. If I stumble across something else, I'll mention it.
Oh, and as for corrosion/erosion, the only thing I know of that comes close to doing that is tyranid bio-acids, and even they have a hard time (though they'll melt guardsmen and other poorly-armored troops very quickly)
Last edited by Stradius; March 16th, 2009 at 03:20.
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One thing that I would add about the magma is that even though the armor itself may survive, the weaker parts of the armor (joints, eyepieces, etc) would quickly be burned through and the power backpack would probably fry. So no, I don't believe that a power-armored marine could make it out of magma. Maybe a Terminator, but nothing short of it.
Also, as Stradius said, Tyranid bio-acid can burn through power armor. However, it can also burn through tanks so this isn't really a surprise.
One more note. In the book Angels of Darkness, an Ork Rokkit lands at the feet of a Space Marine who is blown maybe a dozen feet through the air. When he gets up, the only injury is a gash in his armor that drew blood from his arm.