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I'm slowly putting some fluff together for my chapter. I'm not doing an IA for them since it really misses the mark for what I want. Instead I just want to try mangling a few short stories, speeches, and histories together to give the feel for the chapter.
I don’t know what caused the Emperor to fall. I have my ideas; we all have our ideas. We all know many of the facts: the rise of the bureaucracy, sibling rivalries left untended for too long, repression of mankind’s natural drives, the withdrawal of a father’s love. We see how these factors brought about the fall of Horus and his rebellion. That’s not what I wish to discuss today. The fall of Horus was the inevitable outcome of the fall of the Emperor himself.
Why did the Emperor allow these things to pass when he was perfectly capable of solving them? We can simply brush the question aside, view him as all knowing but unknowable, but that brings us no further in our quest for knowledge. If we are to better our lot, to bring ourselves out of this pit of doom that mankind has found itself in, we must understand how we ended up there. If the Emperor wished this destiny for man, we must understand why so that we do not bring about further ruin. Only once we understand why we are here can we safely leave.
Fear and envy. My belief is that it was these two emotions that drove the fall of the Emperor. He was a man of near limitless power, both respected and revered by nearly all. He was the pinnacle of mankind. He dreaded the thought of one day being anything less than that, jealous of any encroachment on his station. He required absolute control of mankind to prevent the erosion of his own magnificence.
Why deny the xenos, or even those splinters of mankind that veered too far from his ideal? Why the prohibition on leaving them be, treating them as minor allies or satellites of the Empire? The protection, wealth, and community provided by inclusion were sufficient for most to join the Empire, more than enough to live in a position of strength. Why subjugate, destroy, and exile worlds that wished a different way? Because, left free of his control, these satellites would continue to grow and develop. They would learn new science; develop new technologies that would begin to rival his powers. How is this bad for mankind? How can the betterment of our brothers be anything but good?
It is true that he denied worship. I believe that this was simply false modesty. He reveled in being thought a god, even more so when it was done despite it being reviled. His crusade against religion was not to leave mankind free to view the world with eyes of scientific clarity. If this was not the case, if he wished mankind to see the world as it is, why did he deny to them so much knowledge? His crusade against religion was to leave mankind with no outlets for worship but himself.
This was his first folly, for while he knew of the power of the Empyrean, he believed his knowledge was well guarded. He did not believe that many would turn their need to worship towards it. He did not believe that those who already worshipped it would survive, or even be a threat to his glory if they did.
The Emperor damned mankind to live alone so that he may live in a world where he is the ultimate. He damned mankind to live in a world without change or hope by his desires. He damned all by still wanting more.
The Emperor was unable to be content with his lot. He was the pinnacle of mankind, but he was not the pinnacle of existence. He was still bound to his body of flesh. He wished to exist as a being of the Empyrean, reducing his body to nothing more than a puppet. He then would be truly unique from all he has seen. He would be beyond the mindless whorls of power in the Empyerean formed by the emotions of man and xenos alike. He would be beyond any being of the flesh.
He retreated to his studies. He left his children without his affection. He let his children squabble and grow jealous amongst and of each other. He left his children feeling abandoned and without purpose. He left his empire to the control of bureaucrats and the power hungry. He removed the one last dynamic element from his empire, and without him it sought to create another.
That is why he fell. That is why we all fell. We must leave our cocoon before it crumbles completely. We must once again reach out into the stars for knowledge. We must once more become dynamic. We must stop dying and begin to grow once again.
You play your game, I'll play mine.
The reason he tried to move mankind onto a secular path was purely and simply because if we denied the existence of all gods it at worst reduces the chance of someone falling to the worship of Chaos. The Emperor was born to fight Chaos in all of it's forms, he was unrelenting in this thanks to the Star Child legacy left to him by the hundreds of shamans who's souls merged in reincarnation to become him - it in effect was his very reason for being, and unlike your average human he knows this as he remembers all the knowledge they had between them at their moment of suicide.
(This all comes from one of the old Realm of Chaos books, which might be old but still fits with 99% of the fluff released since. Hell, it fits better than some of the newer fluff!)
I'm sure it would sound like heresy. That's part of the problem, or part of the point maybe; pointing out the truth is heresy. Any deviation is heresy, which leads to the problem that if mankind avoids heresy it cannot avoid death. You could go as far to say that until mankind falls into heresy it is already dead, although I don't think that was one of the points in the speech.
That certainly is one interpretation of what happened. I'm approaching it, at least here, with a 'history is written by the victors' view. You can certainly argue that neither side won in the heresy, but the side of the Emperor definitely is still in control of the Imperium. At least in large part. Those in power don't want to admit to any weakness in the Emperor since it could undermine their own authority. I'm viewing the Emperor as flawed (which, considering the outcome of things, certainly strikes me as a reasonable view) and playing around with it.
You could argue the Emperor did this on purpose, and in another ten thousand years mankind will enter a new golden age, and that he saw and planned for it this way. I'd be all for reading some people's theories on how that would happen, but that's not the angle I want to play with. It would make the argument that the Emperor was flawed weaker (if you looked at things through that view at least.)
Instead I'm just going with the impressions I've gotten from reading the HH novels. There were plenty of mistakes, errors in judgement, instances of betrayal, etc. A lot of these stem from policies, directly or indirectly, enacted by the Emperor. So I'm playing around with it this way since it makes a lot of sense to me, and adds some depth to the 40k universe that is, to me, missing in the canonical view.
You play your game, I'll play mine.
That's just what they -want- you to think. But, yeah, I'm definitely going a bit out of my way to interpret the fluff to make the universe a little more interesting to me. Hopefully I'm doing it in a way that isn't stepping on anyone's toes.
Unfortunately it seems like other people aren't finding it so interesting (or are just too lazy to reply, which is entirely possible), which on the upside saves me the hassle of writing too much more (Oh, I'm not convinced it's terrible -quite- yet. ) and makes me feel better about my decision to go into math instead of something that involves, well, the ability to write pretty.
You play your game, I'll play mine.
I too question the judgements and acts of the Emperor. I of course want that the Emperor is ressurected and humanity beats all odds and makes into a new golden age,crushes all theyr foes and evade being exterminated.But just look at the Emperor.
If he allways judged correctly(that's what the Imperium thinks,I quess)then why did he ignore Magnus/Magus(I don't know which is the real name)The Reds messege of warning about the Heresy that was about to come,even when Magnus/Magus had promised that hed never use sorcerous powers again,instead sended Leman Russ and his Space Wolfs to punish him,what lead to one more Primarch to Chaos.
That is propably why I fluffed my Space Marine chapter to be on world allmoust lost from all records so that my Marines could be renegades,but still have a recruitment center and policy evolved around protecting the people first behore some old ruin that was once a glorious temple of the God Emperor.Or I don't know maybe the Primarchs just played monopoly and that's how they ended up with this mess.