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I've been looking into the lore on lexicanum about the old ones to possibly get some ideas for an upcoming chaos renegade army. The problem is that a lot of information on the lexicanum site seems to be a bit contradictory.
Some places it says the old ones are slaan, others say they created the slaan. There seems to be a distinction between old slaan which are the "old ones" and the primal slaan which are the more aztec/mayan whfb slaan.
The other problem is that some articles say the old ones died out after the enslaver plague and others say that slaan are still active and have been involved in at least one cabal.
So what is the truth ? or is it just one more thing that games workshop hasnt really explained fully? Maybe one explanation is no longer canon?
Any information that might shed some light on this would be great.
edit: also is there any connection between the slaan and slaanesh? Supposedly the old ones(slaan) warned the eldar of the coming fall and the rise of slaanesh , similar spelling obviously as well.
Last edited by paregoric_HAL; May 22nd, 2009 at 04:36.
The Old Ones are dead.. As with Fantasy, they died when the creatures they created and nurtured prooved to be too psychically unstable and either created the chaos gods or summoned the enslavers. Ultimately, it's not clear exactly how they died, but it was one of the two.. At the time, they were trapped in a tiny enclave at the edge of the galaxy anyway, as they'd basically lost their war with the C'tan.
I've never read anything about the Old Ones being the Slaan.. The Old Ones in 40k created much of the life in the galaxy, probably including the Slaan (who as far as I'm aware get very little mention whatsoever) as slave races and soldiers in their war against the Necrons, but I don't remember hearing of any direct link.
Another common (mis)conception (in Xenology, for example) is that the Old Ones are the Eldar/Hrud gods. My impression has always been that those guys were kind of machines carved out of the warp (remember, old one technology was psychic, and esoteric enough to be semi-magical.)
Well this is what made me question whether the old ones are really dead:
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Legion_(Novel) - says "This spy, John Grammaticus, works for an organisation he knows as the Cabal, a group of Xenos species that apparently includes Old Ones."
I asked if the slaan = old ones because of this:
Old Ones - Lexicanum - wh40k origins section - "The Old Ones are synonymous with first edition WH40k's Old Slann"
The same link in the war40k origins section has a snippet that says:
"The Old Slann are said to have forewarned the Eldar about the dangers that they would face in the form of their own incarnate racial daemons"
So that if true also leads me to believe they are connected with the eldar in some way.
I also saw a part that says the old ones are dead(found in the wh40k origin link):
"Eventually, with the eruption of the Enslaver Plague on the galaxy, the Old Ones were broken and scattered, never to come to any power again and eventually die out altogether."
but if they are involved in the cabal as the first quote suggests...how is that possible?
Again, all of this could no longer be canon, or lexicanum could have gotten it wrong, but most people seem to look to lexicanum for good information and I ran across these parts and it seems to suggest certain things. Of course those suggestions don't really match up because it has the old ones dying out long ago and living on into 41k.
Last edited by paregoric_HAL; May 22nd, 2009 at 07:46.
The Slaan as a race should not be considered canon any more and all fluff on them is extremely old (RT-era) and outdated. About the Old Ones, the most recent and canon fluff we have on them is in the Necron codex.
I think the Old ones are based on the Slann. Though they now say the Slann were made as their servants. One thing I don't know is what did the Old ones look like? I know the Slann were some sort of anphibians but what about the Old ones themselves, are there any pictures of them?
The most recent piece of artwork of the Slann is in the 4th ed. rulebook. It's in the fluff-section for Xenos, by Blanche. But we know nothing of these Slann, and any and all fluff you can find on Slann these days are from Rouge Trader and should be treated as such (ie. no longer canon).
In Fantasy, the Old Ones created the Slann to be their foremost servants and vassals to the lesser races (no other being could cope to be in the same plane of existence as the Old Ones...). This might have happened in 40k as well, but the Eldar seem to take the role as the Old Ones greatest creation instead.
Basically WH40K sources should be viewed more as a collection of myths rather than a definitive history.
As far as I am aware the Old Ones and Slann are quite different but the Slann had a special place in the Old Ones plans. Possibly as trusted servants and helpers.
It is possible that the legendary 'Brain Boyz' of the Orks were either Slann or Old Ones.
If this is the case then it contradicts the idea that
"(no other being could cope to be in the same plane of existence as the Old Ones...)"
In any case the fact that the Old Ones were soundly beaten by the Necron C'tan alliance ('merger') would suggest that the Old Ones were physically vulnerable.
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In the Necron codex it says
"The C'tan still have an abiding hatred for their ancient enemies, the Old Ones. Although their civilization is no more, it is possible that some degenerate descendants of theirs still live on backwater worlds....You could even have some fun by using a Warhammer Lizardmen army in a game of Warhammer 40,000."
This would seem to imply that, in fact, the Old Ones and the Slaan are one and the same... sort of. In the same sense that a different species' distant evolutionary ancestor is the same as it's descendant. Though the old ones were likely amphibious Slaan-Like beings of some sort. I doubt thes pitiful creatures have a Cabal following them... though it's not out of the question for say an Eldar Farseer to dispatch troops to defend these beings in some act of nostalgic reverence.