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Illegal or not illegal?
Well a few things to remember. There are plenty of very powerful Daemon Princes and wierd entities residing in the warp. Many of them aren't directly associated with the main Chaos gods. Some of them may even have enough sentinence to communicate in a coherent fashion with mortals and even grant boons and gifts.
However remember that a new major Chaos god that has power across the galaxy and can mutate and curse people and elevate people to Daemonhood with impunity would be a major plot development in the present Warhammer 40K universe. Certainly the birth of this god would be heralded withsome Galactic event similar to the birth of Slaneesh which led to the fall of the Eldar empire and the creation of the Eye of Terror.
In short then certainly create a new Chaos god but remember it will most likely be a minor Chaos god perhaps linked to a particular world.
One idea would be a powerful alien race that has become extinct but their souls have achieved sentience in the warp and is linked to their previous homeworlds.
Last edited by Visitor Q; June 9th, 2009 at 10:16.
Minor is good enough! i don't want another better then originals story
Of course you can, but the question is if anyone else would take you seriously.
I could write fluff that the Emperor has stepped down from his Throne to personally lead my Sisters of Battle, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't get laughed at by about everyone...
You get my point?
I think this is a bit unfair.
I mean sure a 'new' Chaos god is never going to rank up their alongside Nurgle or Khorne, but there is nothing to say that there might not be a cult on some obscure world dedicated to an independant warp entity.
The world of Zuthura IX is located on the Eastern Fringes far from the Imperium and the prying eyes of the Inquisition.
Nearly 13 thousand years ago the original colonists of this planet began delving into areas of forbidden study best left forgotton. They learnt something of the nature of the warp and the power it could grant.
The original governing elite of Zuthura was a theocratic regime known as the 'Star Hierophants'. The control these ruling priests held over the general population was such that it was relativly easy to induce the population to commit mass ritual suicide.
The goal of this ceromony was to create a presence in the warp focused around Zuthura IX that would coalesce the psychic energy of a million souls perishing. While the Star Hierophants mortal bodies might die their souls would come together to form a greater whole. Their plan was to elevate themselves as gods
In a single night within a single hour the population of Zuthara IX were slain by their own hands.
This might have been the end of the Star Hierophants legacy were it not for the 3rd company of the Red Tigers chapter of the Adeptus Astartes arriving on Zuthara IX in the 40th millenium.
Drawn to the planet by strange warp echoes that the company librarium considered worth investigating the 3rd company made planet fall.
What they found was a strange planet of mirages, illusions and silent terrors. Their communictors blocked by psychic disturbances the 3rd company was one by one posessed by a malevolence in the warp that called itself Zuthara.
Eventually the librarian was able to get a message through to the marines Strike Cruiser. With great regret the planet was subjected to 12 hours of orbital bombardments wiping out the possessed marines to a man.
Officially this was the end of the Zuthara incident. The planet was quarantined and the area of space is patrolled by vessels under the direction of the Inquisition.
However rumours have reached the ear of the Red Tigers Chapter Master that the former Captain of the 3rd Company has been sighted on a numbe of worlds on the Eastern Fringe leading raids against Imperial colonies. It is said he calls himself the Star Hierophant and fights for the glory of Zuthara.
There you go a new Chaos god which I think can fit in pretty well with present background.
Last edited by Visitor Q; June 10th, 2009 at 09:37.
Its mentioned quite a few times in various fluff sources how cults might worship non-dedicated Daemon Princes or other powerful Warp entities, and how such entities can gain power from said worship.
I think what DMC was driving at is that one should tread lightly with this angle. You just need to be careful about not appearing to make your new "god" rival the four Ruinous Powers.
"It takes a vast amount of self control to be this dangerous."
---Ogvai Ogvai Helmshrot, Jarl of Tra, VI Legion Astartes
Legal and illegal are kinda flawed concepts here.. I mean, the police won't be breaking down your door. GW employees in black suits won't suddenly burst in when you're sleeping and bundle you into a van for spoiling their beautiful creation.
If you want is some kind of assurance against someone going 'dude, this sucks, you can't invent a new chaos god.' You're not going to get that assurance.. People get precious about stories and settings they love and sometimes they react badly to attempts to change them. Plus, sometimes it can be a bit like writing fanfiction for famous franchises and inserting new characters.. people wonder (justifiably, most of the time) why you felt the need to do that.
If you can deal with criticism, then do it. If you can't, then don't.. There is no legal or illegal, there's only people and their personal tastes. People might like it, they might not.
My opinion is.. If you really like your ideas and aren't just doing them to get off on some personal level or because you need some kind of 'speshulness' (or mistake 'speshulness' for originality, which is a pretty common sin in fan fiction) then the chances are other people might feel the same way, and you should trust that. Q's story above kicks ass, though I think calling such a being a 'chaos god' is a little wierd..
One question worth asking though.. Is there anything adding a new chaos god does which adding a powerful daemon prince or greater daemon doesn't? Does your personal protagonist/antagonist have to be a being whose birth would have torn a wound in the fabric of stretching thousands of light years across, and whose birth screams would have killed much of the life in the galaxy. Does that scale even do anything for the concept?
A daemon prince doesn't have to be the flimsy thing on the tabletop.. It can be an ancient millenia old horror of unfathomable power and it's more managable than trying to explain why this being, whose birth, as mentioned, would have rent the galaxy, has been completely ignored and forgotten in the 'official' fluff.
Sometimes less really is more, even in an epic setting.. If nothing else, it's easier to relate to something which is smaller in scale as it's more personal.. A chaos god isn't even really something you can write fluff about it, at best you can write about the beings which worship it.
Last edited by The_Giant_Mantis; June 9th, 2009 at 23:57.
The Canoness leading my Sisters of Battle was personally told by the Emperor that she should totally go out and kick ass and take names. She's the most powerful hero the Imperium has ever seen. The Primarchs got nothing on her. But because the rules need to be "fair" I can't represent that in game.
Get my drift?
And Mantis, always a helpful dude, is totally saying what I has been trying to get across (although I'm far too lazy).
I'd go with the consensus here, although I would say that inventing a minor god with no allegiance to any of the four greater powers to serve as a patron to your CSM army will likely go down a lot smoother than trying to wedge a fifth God into the pantheon.
What would that 5th God be the God OF, for starters. Can't be lust, decadence, wrath or deceit, because there are already gods for those things. Maybe he would be the God of Gluttony. He would be called Pop'ahnfresh, and his Chosen Ones would run around in white armour firing gluten at their enemies.
I was trying to get across the idea that the difference between a warp entity and a chaos god is simply one of scale and worship. If a cultist worships a warp entity be it a daemonprince or the collective souls of a murdered world in this case and that war entity is independant of the 'Big Four' then the cultist is essentially worshipping a seperate (albiet minor) chaos god.
I can see the attraction of having a chaos army not associated with one of the main chaos gods but not simply chaos undivided either, actually having a particular patron in the warp.
Last edited by Visitor Q; June 10th, 2009 at 09:39.