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I'm curious about dreadnought pilots.
In the books and everything it says only the most experienced and able warriors of the space marines can earn a place within a dread, with much emphasis on the experience part - only marines hundreds of years old can be entombed so they don't lose his experience.
However I'm curious about if this only applies to marines, as it seems to me that the hulking suit of armor could house humans as well.
If Commisar Yarrick for example were horrendously injured beyond healing but his mind still perfectly intact then would it not make sense for the imperium to put him into a dreadnought or something similar?
Unfortuantely, unlike a Space Marine, Commissar Yarrick is not genetically altered to be practically immortal and would probably die of old age
It is possible to stick a human in a Dreadnought as the machine will sustain them almost forever. However Dreads are hard to make and reserved for only the best warriors. There is also the mental component to think about. A Space marine is entirely dedicated to his chapter and to war. The same can't be said of average humans. Being locked away in a Dreadnought for years or even centuries will drive a normal person mad. This can be seen with Chaos dreadnoughts as the Marines that control them are selfish and being trapped in a Dreadnough drives them completely insane.
An Imperial Guard version would be more or less a crazy Sentinel. A Sentinel being what the Imperial Guard use when they want a robot of some sort, they don't use the weapons of the Space marine Dreadnoughts. The arms, legs and weapons aren't the hard part to make. The difficult bit is the life support systems and the controls which are linked to the drivers nervous system. It would probably be often impractical to make a Dreadnought for standard soldiers.
To henners: Commisar Yarrick is already over a hundred years old due to several augmentations to his physique- bionics and such
To Leech- I agree that it would be impractical to make dreads for standard soldiers as even for standard marines it is restricted. However to a human hero like yarrick i imagine they would put him in one because of his experience and prowess as well as the morale boost he would give his men. It is doubtful he would go insane or traitor as he is not an average human and a commisar nonetheless, so you know his faith in the emperor is strong
Even with his faith in the Emperor being strong, enough that he commands respect from the Black Templars. There's still the fact he's a simple human, granted one that has had bionics and juve treatments ever since he gained Hero of the Imperium status.
He'll still eventually die, if not from battle than from some virus or other detestable way for a true hero go to out. When that happens, the Imperium shall weep while the Orks rejoyce, and Yarrick shall be given a proper exit from this realm.
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Even Yarrick will die of old age eventualy albeit he might be 3 or 4 hundred years old. For a marine that is barely mid-life.
Codex Marines does imply that marines can age in a conventional sense but characters such as Ulric the slayer and Commander dante also show that they can live for a long time
Yarrick is a hero yes, but even he would would not be granted the honour of wearing a suit of Dreadnought armour.
Interring someone in a suit of Dreadnoguht armour means they become a living ancestor for the Chapter a part of their history chosen to live on as an exemplar. Apart from nothing else Yarrick would not have this historical resonance for any Marine Chapter.
For many guardsmen (and possibly even Yarrick) being interred in a Dreadnought would not be welcomed. Living on in a steel cage rather than being allowed a clean death might well be considered a horrific fate.
Remember that Yarrick originally retired after the battle for Hades Hive. it was only when he learned his old nemisis Ghazghull Thrakka was still alive that he donned his uniform again.
Once Thrakka is dead Yarrick will want to probably die in peace.
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Dreadnoughts have great wisdom and experience:
Dreadnought armour is extremely rare. Most chapters are not able to manufacture it, only to repair and rebuild even the most heavily damaged suits. Given the incredible value of these suits of armour and the extreme durability that they provide to their occupants it makes sense to give them to the most experienced capable and careful of marine heroes. The individuals interred within dreadnoughts are marines who have lived for a considerable period, often over a century of battle experience.
This is unusual as despite their hardiness many marines are short lived due to their occupation. Those who live to age are very capable warriors even by marine standards. In this way chapters protect their investment by giving the use of these behemoths to those marines most likely to not only cause havoc but bring the weapons back to the armoury after each battle.
Using a Dreadnought:
Marines interred within dreadnoughts are shorn of their limbs and wired into the machinery. This interface requires the presence of the Black Carapace, the last genetic modification to take effect within a marine. It is the black carapace which allows marines to control their power armour with the same fluid grace that they contol their own bodies. Without a carapace it is not possible for a human to control a dreadnought, in the same way that a human cannot control power armour without a black carapace.
Space Marines are effectively immortal and so many dreadnoughts are several hundred years old. This is of no concern to a marine but the imperium's juve treatments are not capable of matching these effects. A normal person would probably die when their limbs were removed let alone last several centuries...
Let's not forget the logistical problems of the fact that dreadnought's hibernate. When the fluff talks about 'waking a dreadnought' they're not kidding. What use would old Yarrick be if he's catching a few Z's when the Orks hit the fan. Sure it won't happen for a while, but Ghazghull's still got quite a few years left in 'em.
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