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Ok, so this is my first time writing this down. All the ideas I came up with while on the throne, or mowing the lawn, so bear with me. I even came up with a lot while I was writing this down. And just to throw this out there, my marines have a russian background, just because. Mind you, theres probably a ton of typos that spell check didn't grab to bear with me.
After the heresy was over, and the Imperium began to rebuild, there was one Legion of the Emperor's finest being tried by the Inquisition for heresies against the Emperor's Imperium. Though, the Legion was loyal, and helped defend Terra in her hour of need some said that they saw marines clad in Purple and Bone colored armor firing upon their own brothers during the heated battle. None outside of the Legion knows what truly happened that day, but regardless of their loyalties, they were spared death, and condemned to be erased from all Imperial records, and forgotten. Their battles honors would be burned, all relics melted down for use for the varies Chapters now being formed. They were however, granted a fleet of battle barges, and other varies ships for their travels, along with a force of Imperial Guard to aid them if need be. The Imperium now turned it's back on the Legions as they set course towards the every edges of known space. The Legion now traverses a distant galaxy, facing new threats and new allies as they fight to expand the Imperium, and to regain their honors. The Legion has used what little resources it has to establish colonies in this new galaxy known as затруднение in their native toughen or "hardship" in High Gothic. With the help from the Guard they have been able to build many functioning worlds within their new home. They even set up a Forge World, and with the knowledge from the Tech-Marines in the Legion have been able to set up a Machine - Devout world that is similar but yet different in every way to mars. The World know as Covoc does not follow the teaching of the Machine Cult. They believe machines function because of man, not because of a Omnissiah. Without the restrictions from the Cult, Covoc has made many breakthroughs in Science. They have found a way to create the sacred Gene-Seed from the Legions now know as the Benefactors, because of the catering nature. The Legion (as they prefer to be called, as they do not feel a need for a name) has reserved the most inhospitable, the most unforgiving planet for their own homeworld, The planet Непрощенный or "Not Forgiven" in High Gothic. For they believe they do not deserve a forgiving planet, for they have not been forgiven, and thus should have a forgiving home However the Guard stationed there have create a flourishing hive world from the world, and thus a great population, which only benefits the Legion . While on their travels, the Legion encountered the Eldar. At first the Legion wanted to go to war, however, those in charge at the time saw it better to make peace with the Eldar, and become allied with them. The Legion eventually agreed as a whole, and now fight shoulder to shoulder with their brother Eldar, and have even learned from them.
The Legion follows the teachings of Guilliman , but have rather loosely interpreted his Codex Astartes. The Legion is divided into ten chapters, each never too from from another. They prefer, however to have two chapter masters each, each chapter master being blessed with the title "Father" or "The Benefactor". While the Legion as a whole is lead by a counsel, much like the Eldar are governed by. The counsel is made of one of each of the two Chapter Masters, as well as the Admirals from the fleet, the eldest members of the legion, as well as one battle brother from each chapter, to symbolize that the working man has as much of a say in the matters of the Legion as his masters. (Communist-ish?)
The Legion sees close-combat to be a primitive form of war, and thus prefers to use disciplined fire from a far to take out their enemies. They believe that the last one standing is the most honorable of the enemy, and they offer him/her a chance to join them, in hopes of adding the most skilled of warriors to their ranks. If they refuse the offer, the Legion offers a quick death for those who wish. There are whose in the Legion who believe differently from the common belief of Close Combat, and those of believe that are allowed to become Assault marines. Though this is very rare. Those marines that are skilled fighters, and believe in the art of CC, are blessed with Terminator honors, and given the sacred Terminator armour. The only armor in the chapter to be blessed with the new technology (still in test phase) of Kinetic Barriers (shields).
First and foremost is the belief that the Emperor is NOT a god. He is only a leader worth following and that his teaching are only some what believed. The Legion believes that the Xenos should not all be purged, but should be allied with the Imperium in order to help each other grow. Because of their beliefs many believe that they may not be pure in the Emperor's eyes. Even though he is no god to them, they seek his blessing and his understanding, not only that but they wish for a pure mind and body. Thus, the Legion has a great number a purity seals attached to every marine. There are cases of 10 or 20 on a single marine as they wish to show they are indeed pure. Along with that there a great number of Chaplains to further increase the chapters purity. Every Brother is required to become an aspiring Chaplain, to become as pure in mind as possible.
The Legion prefers to recruit from their home-world [insert name here] or from Covoc. As they see those two worlds the only ones with enough hardships to create a strong breed of Marines from. Either a cold hive world, or a hot forge world where the sweet of a mans brow is all he has.
EDIT: As with the owning planets loyal to the Imperium, The Legion requires a tax of whatever the planet can provide, along with a force of Imperial Guard to add to their ranks. On the planet Непрощенный, the local guard has taken interests in the Planetary Librarium, and have researched on the Imperial Guard back in the Imperium. They've taken interest in the Vostroyans, and have thus adopted their battle doctrine. And being raised in a similar enviorment, it was an easy task to accomplish. While they mimic the Vostroyans Firstborn, the planet of Nibiru( a Hive World, that produces a large amount of armor) has adopted the doctrine of the Steel Legion. And being a hive world that has already begun to deteriorate the atmosphere with pollutants, the Guard wears similar masks to protect themselves from the deadly, awful smelling gases.
Well, that's all I've got now. It might sound bad or good I'm not the greatest at this stuff. I would love to hear some Criticism good, or bad. If you've got anything better I'd be glad to hear it. Thanks.
Some people are likely to be hostile to serious changes to the events of the Horus Heresy, particularly the siege of Terra.. I mean, you can sort of understand, it is one of the most heavily documented fluff moments in 40k and it's generally fairly clear who was there and who wasn't.
Also, while there are two 'missing legions' why would a legion be erased and still allowed to live within the Imperial fold? I mean.. that's not a punishment, it's really just allowing them to carry on being dirty sinners with no ability to check up on them because noone knows who they are any more.
It's also completely contrary to the Codex Astrates to give any space marine command over the Imperial Guard or any other elements of the Imperial army/navy. This is seen to be why the Horus Heresy happened in the first place, with individual legion commanders having too much power and autonomy. It's likely to be the one thing which would never be broken.
Allying with the Eldar is both an utter abomination in terms of Imperial doctrine (even pre-heresy it was considered better to saccrifice half a legion than to allow a relatively peaceful Xenos race to continue to exist in mankind's territory, the Emperor despised aliens) and incredibly unwise. Think of it this way, Eldar can see the future.. and they really don't care about non Eldar life (they consider other species to be pointless vermin, at best) allying with them is asking to be manipulated, used and ultimately destroyed once you're no longer of any use to your 'allies'.
Not believing in the Omnisiah would really make little difference in terms of technology.. It's like the difference between believing that animals evolved because God decided they should evolve or that they evolved by sheer random chance. It doesn't change the process of evolution or the rules by which it happens, just the overall meaning of it. There seems to be this wierd desire to paint the mechanicus as ignorant fanatics.. They're not, the upper echelons are extremely smart technical geniuses. The only way, realistically, to make advances on Mechanicus/Imperial tech any realistic length of time is to adopt or adapt Xenos tech, which the Mechanicus believe poisons your soul and corrupts the spark of human invention which is your birthright. That's really not allowed except in extreme circumstances.
Believing that Xenos are worth allying with is all out heresy.. It's not even 'ooh, a bit naughty', it's contravening everything the Emperor stood for and everything the legions fought for in the Great Crusade. The Emperor was the master of mankind, not the master of mankind and their nice alien buddies.
Anyway.. Sorry for being potentially harsh and fluff nazi-ish. I'm possibly a bit tired to comment sensitively, but hey, you don't have to listen to me, I won't be offended, I'm just wheeling out what I've picked up.
Last edited by The_Giant_Mantis; July 2nd, 2009 at 04:38.
Like the Giant Mantis, I don't want to be overly critical--you've clearly put more effort into your fluff than many players do--but you're breaking almost every fluff-law of the 40k Imperium. Not worshipping the Emperor, an Imperial Legion not only not broken into Chapters but with command of navies, Guard armies and a private Forge World, rejection of the Mechanicus, mercy towards enemies, technological innovation, alliances with aliens, presence at the Siege of Terra, rejection by the Imperium without being Excommunicated...it's just too much.
You might read up on the Soul Drinkers. They're a good example of a Chapter that went rogue despite trying to do the right thing by the Emperor. Alternatively, try selecting one of the original Legions (now Chapters) to be the progenitor of your chapter and then build your fluff out from that foundation. That gives you 9 possible choices. You have the right idea by describing what tactics they favor, how they recruit, what their homeworld is like. A couple of the fluff-laws can be bent, too; for example, perhaps the Chapter enjoys working directly with the Imperial Guard rather than being standoffish as many Chapters are wont to be. Maybe the Marine who wrote their philosophy was a survivor of the Siege of Terra and his experiences there influenced his writings. Maybe the Chaplains make a point of occasionally pardoning the Guardsmen duped or forced into fighting them, or at least of treating worthy prisoners well. (The better to encourage future surrenders, of course!)
Don't give up!
"My tanks have names, my men have numbers." -Col. Edmund Grahvess, 23rd Kronecker Prison Guard
Not to mention the fact that allying with xenos would be a really really bad idea.
I mean Eldar are one of the more civilised races and they once gave a human hive world 24 hours to evacuate every single citizen or they would destroy everyone for no apparent reason.
And they did..........
Good luck with these guys.
Tau. Ah yes the 'good' guys of the WH40K universe. Ok Tau since there inception have pursued a policy of agressive expansion into Imperial space despite knowing how big the Imperium is and despite many Imperial worlds not watning to be part of the Tau Empire. This doesn't sound like a reasonable species to me.
As for the belief in the Omnissiah there is nothing to say he doesn't exist.
The Chaos gods exist because of belief why not the Machine god.
That said the Adeptus Astartes don't really worship the Emperor as a god per say anyway simply as a mighty human. It's kind of like ancestor worship.
Last edited by Visitor Q; July 2nd, 2009 at 10:40.
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Giant mantis i dont want to deviate from the topic but i have a different opinion for the mechanicus.
Yes they may be technical geniuses but we know that they merely replicate the ancient technologies of STC and the rest of the dark age of technology.Also what was clear in the novel of Dark Mechanicus is that the Omnisiah does not favor so much innovation but tradition.In other words the mechanicus has become just like the rest of the emperium a traditionalist/religius empire that refuses to move forward:Much like the byzantine empire if you put it in earthly terms(although the byzantines have made some technological breakthroughs)that has come to a stalemate.
Interpid remember that the space marines never saw the emperor as divine/god,thats what makes tensions between the ecclisiarchy and the SM chaplains remember?
Visitorq the existence of the Omnisiah is debated at best,remember that in the necron codex it is hinted that he may even be a C'tan in slumber on mars,or maybe the deceiver himself.
As for the rest of your points ppl i agree totally!
Last edited by pilot00; July 2nd, 2009 at 12:52.
Praise be to the Emperor!!
Put it this way, if there was a nuclear war tommorow and all scientific data was lost which would be the most efficient way to go.. would you sit down with a pencil and paper and start reinventing the combustion engine, or would you find some battered up car somewhere (or better still, the blueprints to a car) and start taking it apart to reverse engineer it?Part of the setting is that mankind is largely on the wane.. There was this great scientific golden age, but now all of that is lost. Research isn't a priority, clinging on to what already exists is a priority, and actually, the Mechanicus has done that incredibly well..Originally Posted by pilot00
They do innovate, just along very preset lines, and they do actively search for knowledge from the past in order to increase their understanding. I mean, the key point of their philosophy is the quest for knowledge.. that's what those Mechanicus fleets wandering the galaxy cataloging new worlds and searching for archaeotech are doing, questing for knowledge (old knowledge, rather than new knowledge, but as mentioned its not exactly the worst thing you could be doing.)
It took people in the Dark Age (who had outright hard ons for technology) thousands of years to get to where they were, so how on earth would a tiny group of people living in a technologically debased period of history have worked it out better than the mechanicus who spend their lives seeking out and preserving that knowledge..
The Dark Mechanicus only innovate because they go where no sane mind ever would have gone. Chaos makes new things possible (usually with horrible prices and insane results) just like plundering Xenotech makes new things possible. Essentially, those are the only two things the Mechanicus outright forbids people from doing.. Artificers do innovate all the time, newly discovered STCs allow for new theoretical forms of technology to be mass produced and there are things in the Mechanicus archives and armouries which, although they can't be replicated, would make Eldar tech look crude.. It's not as simple as 'haw haw look at the ignorant fanatics!'
The Emperor could have squished the Mechanicus (and had reason to do so since, as so often pointed out, he wasn't the biggest fan of religious diversity.) The only concievable reason he didn't is that they actually are effective.
Last edited by The_Giant_Mantis; July 2nd, 2009 at 16:09.
Clinging on to what already exists is a priority, and actually, the Mechanicus has done that incredibly well...
Well another point i dont quite agree,if you read some novels youll find out out how the imperium is loosing the ways it used to have.I found at least in a couple of novels space marines that had damaged battle armor and after the repairs they felt that it wasnt on the high standards it used to be not to the fact that it got the repairs but in to the fact that the repairs were not made the same way cause they didnt knew how to do it.
Second the golder throne.Ok it was designed by the emperor and build by Dorn.But the mechanicus mainteined it for 10k years and they knew how it worked.And now a critical malfunctions appears and hands up!We dont know how to repair it!!!!
Not to mention the technologies vaguely understood comments in almost anything that has to do with the mechanicus.
Third in some cases they dont understand a thing about the workings of a machine they just got the blueprints as you say and they make it go.0o00o0o0o0o0o magical arcana!!!Yeah right call that innovation.
Anyways in its quest for knowledge the mechanicus has fallen to false beliefs and practices that is costing dearly both to the imperium and themselves.More and more technology is lost with the fall of each forge world and as time passes precius technologies are forgotten(jet bikes for instance).The only new things you get out of them is a turret swap to a new tank or some kind of reinforcement.
Hell they cant even stabilize plasma guns and they try it for 10k years!
Praise be to the Emperor!!
Hey, I'm glad to hear it. I posted it here so I COULD be criticized, and if it's harsh, it's harsh So, lets say that instead of The Legion being at the battle of Terra they were being punished for their belief that the Emperor is wrong about all the aliens and what not I definitely like the idea of an entire legion of the Emperor's finest completely deviating from Imperial law. Maybe it was a problem with their gene-seed?
And as for the Mechanicum; in the book Dark Mechanicum it states that the Emperor brought a dragon of some kind and brought it to Mars where he caged it up and left a guard to make sure it never leaves. Now, I'm guessing that's the C'Tan god, but who knows? And for some reason the Martians had dreams and the Mechcanicum formed. I don't really want to go into detail, plus this is from memory since I did read it a good while ago.
I suppose for the Mechanicum on Covoc they just don't exactly try and maintain the knowledge they have. Their only goal is seek out new knowledge. And seeing as this is a different galaxy who knows what they'll find?
And as for branching of an existing Legion, I don't really want to. I want to be able to say whatever I want about them. And that's why I got you guys, to keep me in check and to make all this can be as believable as possible even if this is all probably insane Imperium wise. I guess this is just more fun for me to let me imagination go free like a birdie.
My apologies m8 i kinda turned this into a mechanicus discussion!
I didnt get something you speak of a different galaxy is that right?
Cause if speak of it then theres some bad news,the nearest galaxy should be the ones the nids came from and i believe they have eaten pretty much anything there...
Also if an entire SM chapter did speak openly that the emperor was wrong...well going against the divine thing is one thing questioning the emperor is another so...excomunicate traitoris!
A good idea would be that from the time when horus did his thingies your legion was on the brink of questioning both emperor and empirium.Sidding with horus and surendering to chaos was too much,continuing a bloody path across the galaxy was another so maybe your chapter master(at that time) packed up and leave with as many troops (SM and Guard) and ships and techpriests he could.You are a traitor to the imps but not chaos corrupted mainly in ideology and a xeno lover.The inquis will always purge cleanse kill ya!
Praise be to the Emperor!!
Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't most Legions have their own fleet to begin with? If so, then why not just Excommunicate the Legion? And wouldn't they have their own homeworld with a force of Guard stationed there? If so, then they spanked the guard and sent them off to their rooms in the battle barge or whatever. And maybe having a tax is a bit much so we can go ahead and write that off.
Now it isn't quite their Forge World completely. The world does produce their arms, but the Legion doesn't control anything that happens there. Now the Mechabnicum there I guess hasn't completely written off the idea of the Omnissiah, but they just don't let all the rules of the cult forbid them from doing something out of the ordinary. I just got the idea of as I said before, the book Dark Mechanicum where it seemed the the cult frowned upon a lot of things.
I approve of this. However, the Nids came from the east correct? If so, well...the Legion still has 3 directions they can go, and who knows what's in any of those directions, eh?