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What is GW's stance on the Star Child - Sensei - Illuminati fluff. Is it still canon? or is it left ambiguous for a future return?
dont know but its some of the most awesome fluff ever
does anyone have the rules to make a sensei warband still?
seems like it was taken out, but I think it would make a great theme for a radical inquisitor army ( your leader is a sensei)
Last edited by Concilliator; September 2nd, 2009 at 12:48.
Most of the stuff from that era (pre 3rd Edition 40k) has just been ignored. My guess is that GW doesn't know what to do with it, so don't do anything. It doesn't really fit with new uberdark 40k, which is a damn shame.
Right, I don't believe there has been a repudiation of the idea per se, just that it's been ignored.
I'm just wondering really if the idea of a Second great crusade when humans evolve to a physic race is actually possible in terms of canon. This could be Warhammer 50k.
I think it's one of the few ideas that GW HAS "officially" said no to. At the back of the 3rd edition rulebook there's a report by an Inquisitor saying that he's just had Salamander assistance in destroying a heretical cult that went by the name of "Star Child" - with leaders called sensei who dared to believe they were the children of the Emperor, but which was in fact a Tzeech
I also remember an old (early 200s) White Dwarf having a scenario involving the Salamanders and the "Star Cult". I think they might have been attempts to disavow the Star Child fluff. Personally, I say good riddance. The idea was nice and heroic and all, but it seemed to divide the Warp into "good" and "bad" warp energy, like the Star Wars Force. That sort of thing stunk, in my opinion. And the idea that humanity could do nothing until the Sensei were re-united with the Emperor seemed a bit too much the wrong kind of tragedy to me.
Illuminati are only mentioned once, as a Tzeentch cult that was wiped out.
The story does not fit in the grimdark universe that exists now. It has come a long way from the tongue in cheek Rogue Trader
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The Star Child Theory is simply that the Emperor can be reborn to lead humanity once again. This is essentially the Thorian doctine given a less 80's name.
I would almost say the inclusion of the reference to it being a Tzeentch cult shows the theory is still in the WH40K universe.
a) The report is written POV from an Inquisitor rather than as a fact of the univese.
b) The Inquisitor says he is going off to investigate other leads suggesting the 'cult' hasn't been completly wiped out.
c) The Inquisition as a whole (other than the illuminati) were ignorant of the Star Child and sensi hence assuming such a theory to be the work of Tzeentch.
In my opinion the Star Child theory is still part of the WH40K mythos.
Rouge Trader wasn't tounge in cheek, it simply had different influences on its vision of a distopia.
Rouge Trader and 2nd edition WH40K had a darker overall view of Chaos for example as insanity and damnation given flesh rather than just 'baddies'.
Anyway the idea of canon and 'official' versions of WH40K don't really apply. The background is based on a series of myths and themes (like in Greek mythology) rather than hard facts.
Last edited by Visitor Q; September 3rd, 2009 at 09:55.
Although the report does state that the rituals of the Star Child cult are similar in kind to a Tzeenchian cult (the Thrandos Cult, if that name means anything) that was wiped out fourteen years previously. Would the "true" Star Child cult use anything like that?
True but then we have no way of knowing whether the other cult was also an actual Tzeentch cult.
An Inquisitor who knows nothing about the Star Child who comes across a strange group talking about the warp as something mankind to use and the coming of the Star Child but aren't overly agressive or debased, is probably just going to say 'Tzeentch' and burn them.
Or the cults were Tzeentch cults trying to defame the real Sensei.
My point is simply that there are references to the Star Child in WH40K that don't discount the Rouge Trader versions of things.