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    Chaos Marine : Guardsman

    How many guardsmen would it take to face a chaos marine? For example, would a guardsman and his squad have a chance of surviving a fire team? Or would the only survivors be those who take down the last chaos marine. Would a full squad be able to take out a single chaos marine? and a Whole company be able to take out a squad of chaos marines? Also would a single lucky lasgun shot be able to take down a chaos marine or would It take dozens to slowly break apart his power armor? so many questions....


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    Fluff wise a single sqaud of hardened guardsmen with heavy weapon and special weapon support could probably take down a Chaos Marine.

    A lucky lasgun hit through the eye socket might be enough to bring down a CSM assuming he didn't have a strange mutation like an iron skull or brain made of gas or some other such insanity.
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    So they can only take out a Chaos Marine with heavy and special weapons? Without heavy weapons or special weapons what would be the real ratio? or would it then be impossible to take them out reliably, and lasguns would then just act as a distraction or to immobilize their armor while the special and heavy weapons finish them off?

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    So they can only take out a Chaos Marine with heavy and special weapons?
    That's the Imperial Guard's modus operandi: rating enemies in terms of the firepower needed to kill them. Lasguns are functionally useless on powered armor. It's like cracking walnuts: the insides may be soft but you need the right tool to break the shell. One Guardman with an antitank weapon could kill a squad of Marines by himself (with forewarning, a clear field of fire, good accuracy and great luck) but fifty Guardsmen with lasguns would die to one.

    It gets even harder to say with Chaos Marines. The average CSM is an average Marine, but then you've got Plague Marines, Possessed Marines and stranger things. How many Guardsmen does it take to kill a CSM? Speaking as a Guard general myself, the answer is: more Guardsmen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Intrepid View Post
    That's the Imperial Guard's modus operandi: rating enemies in terms of the firepower needed to kill them. Lasguns are functionally useless on powered armor. It's like cracking walnuts: the insides may be soft but you need the right tool to break the shell. One Guardman with an antitank weapon could kill a squad of Marines by himself (with forewarning, a clear field of fire, good accuracy and great luck) but fifty Guardsmen with lasguns would die to one.

    It gets even harder to say with Chaos Marines. The average CSM is an average Marine, but then you've got Plague Marines, Possessed Marines and stranger things. How many Guardsmen does it take to kill a CSM? Speaking as a Guard general myself, the answer is: more Guardsmen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Intrepid View Post
    That's the Imperial Guard's modus operandi: rating enemies in terms of the firepower needed to kill them. Lasguns are functionally useless on powered armor. It's like cracking walnuts: the insides may be soft but you need the right tool to break the shell. One Guardman with an antitank weapon could kill a squad of Marines by himself (with forewarning, a clear field of fire, good accuracy and great luck) but fifty Guardsmen with lasguns would die to one.

    It gets even harder to say with Chaos Marines. The average CSM is an average Marine, but then you've got Plague Marines, Possessed Marines and stranger things. How many Guardsmen does it take to kill a CSM? Speaking as a Guard general myself, the answer is: more Guardsmen.
    50 Guardsmen with lasguns would quite happily kill a single marine. They are not that invincible.
    The Marine can be dragged down by massed fire or when he is weighed down by corpses. Special weapons will speed up the process.

    50 hits from lasguns is going to find, or make, some weak spots on his armour and cause damage.
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    If the Marine held still for multiple volleys from lasguns, sure, but that isn't going to happen. The fluff describes Marines surviving for centuries in full-time, front line combat, so we must assume that they're functionally invulnerable to small arms.
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    they aren't immortal, but they're smart enough to know when to take cover, and how to hit faster and more accurately than the guardsmen. They also have better reaction times and have better weapons than the guardsmen.


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    Technically a single guardsman with a lasgun could take out a CSM, but he'd have to be either incredibly skilled or phenomenally lucky and hit the CSM in the eye visor. Other than that, he'd have to have a power weapon in close combat and get lucky or be very skilled.

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