The Luna Falcons (In Progress and In need of ideas)

[Terra Wolves]

Ok on the matter about horus leaving a company or body of troops to watch over a sector or planet had been done but most were killed or turned to horus cuase though there were some that dissapeared completely without any traces. The ones he killed werent all on istvaan on his way torward terra he would stop at these garrisons and either kill those that resisted or pick up the loyalist to him and destroy the port and bases in those sectors. Im trying to find my thread right now i just got this profile not too long ago, i have read all the horus heresy series and own them except the one about the adepts of mars. I play chaos world eaters and have been for four years now and i had started with blood angels, for two years i had been thinking of an idea for a new chapter and it wasnt till i read the horus heresy did i finally came up with one. Ive done plenty of research in the eight years ive been playing on all aspects of 40k just cuase how much i love to play. Once i find my thread ill post it on lysenis thread so others can see though ill say this now its not finished and i have to keep going theres plenty of stuff i need to add or fix.

[Heirodule]

Quick question what exactly are you going to show us?

Its not hugly clear from your post what you mean, have you got a text from elsewhere, have you written a text or what?

However of the garrisoning of planets by marines, as said by Nerg Zero, marines wouldnt do this it would be sorted by imperial armoury, not note the IG, the Imperial army.

Also the idea horus left marines simply didnt make sense. For one why waste 100+ marines simply to stand guard over a planet when there are others who could do it instead. Aswell no marine is going to want to be left behind on a planet, the are born to fight, not to guard.

Theres another reason why horus wouldnt leave men behind. The fleets in the crusades were 1 directional, unless they were called elsewhere. So maines left behind, stay behind unless they can hitchike with anohter fleet poassing by. Horus is not going to send a ship back to pick them up, so a marine left behind stays there for the rest of the crusade.

And to round it off, Horus, great warmaster of the crusade, is not going to leave men whose aligence is unknown to him, behind on some backwater world, where they could well find out about the heresy and flee. Horus is a Primarch planning to commit civil war, not an idiot!

even assuming he does leave men behind, he'd ensure something was left behind to eradicate them, not thousends of IA soilders, but a titan or something, that simply couldnt fail. The idea that somehow horus let them slip away just dosnt make sense.

[negZero]

Well not to sound mean but you seem to not have done that good of job researching the canon to create this chapter. There just way to many reasons why this group would be brutally killed and never heard from ever again.

[Terra Wolves]

im looking for the sight that had the garrisons inwhich horus had stopped at on his way to terra which was to gather all remaining troops and you point out how horus was a master strategist well the imperial guard couldnt always handle things that astartes were called in for such as when edilon from the emperors children were sent backwards to the planet sluaghter in order to help the blood angels which in the end horus had arrived fixing the damage both the blood angels and emperors children had caused.Then horus also had to turn around to go back davin in order to take care of a small heresy cuased by a general he had left to watch over the sector yet was started actually by the word bearers.Then the istvaan rebellion caused him to have to turn around yet again.Yes it was uncommon for aastartes to be left behind but it did happen whether theres documents that exist or were destroyed by the inquisition no one knows and the inquisition was good at getting rid of such documents that referred to pre-heresy. And the garrisons which horus stopped at were ones he had established near cthonia and he had been heading to to restock on troops and supplies for his upcoming siege on terra, i also forsee you saying something about this so to add another thing perturabo did the very same thing where he went back to his own planet and killed all that were not going to join his side.Another reference about astartes being left behind would be the dark angels where luther and a group of astartes were sent back to calliban. Not everything is locked up to where openings arent there.yes i can always find new data that can be used, so that minor holes can be fixed not everything be looked down on and say thats impossible otherwise the game wouldnt be fun especially with gw trying to bring back alot of what originally made the game so fun with apocolypse.

[rafis117]

Originally Posted by Terra Wolves

im looking for the sight that had the garrisons inwhich horus had stopped at on his way to terra which was to gather all remaining troops and you point out how horus was a master strategist well the imperial guard couldnt always handle things that astartes were called in for such as when edilon from the emperors children were sent backwards to the planet sluaghter in order to help the blood angels which in the end horus had arrived fixing the damage both the blood angels and emperors children had caused.Then horus also had to turn around to go back davin in order to take care of a small heresy cuased by a general he had left to watch over the sector yet was started actually by the word bearers.Then the istvaan rebellion caused him to have to turn around yet again.Yes it was uncommon for aastartes to be left behind but it did happen whether theres documents that exist or were destroyed by the inquisition no one knows and the inquisition was good at getting rid of such documents that referred to pre-heresy. And the garrisons which horus stopped at were ones he had established near cthonia and he had been heading to to restock on troops and supplies for his upcoming siege on terra, i also forsee you saying something about this so to add another thing perturabo did the very same thing where he went back to his own planet and killed all that were not going to join his side.Another reference about astartes being left behind would be the dark angels where luther and a group of astartes were sent back to calliban. Not everything is locked up to where openings arent there.yes i can always find new data that can be used, so that minor holes can be fixed not everything be looked down on and say thats impossible otherwise the game wouldnt be fun especially with gw trying to bring back alot of what originally made the game so fun with apocolypse.

Look, if you're going to post here;
a) get your facts straight. The Istvaan massacres were Horus's design, not something that popped up that he had to deal with.
b) please, PLEASE post in a way that the rest of us can read.

[Terra Wolves]

lol your right and if i remember correctly you should read the series first of all. Back in that i was using it as a reference of why they turned around and it was still called a rebellion by horus. And i dont understand what you mean by my typing.

[rafis117]

Whenever you post, but especially when you put up a big ol' honking wall of text, please use at least serviceable, even if not impeccably correct, grammar and punctuation.

[Heirodule]

Ok most of that post was wither irrelevant or damagin to your fluff. heres why

1) I DID NOT SAY THE GUARD HANDELED ANY SITUATION AT ALL! read the post i say the impeirial ARMY garrisoned planets. The space marines are there to fight, the army garrisons planets and backs them up. No-where did i say the army fought at all (even though they often provided support) Horus may well have left marines but either he brought any potential loyalists to istavaan, or he left instructions for them to be killed, it is simply not feasable to have some men left behind who could ruin the herasy.

im also well aware of the events on murder, i like everyone else whose posted in this thread, have read the books.

2) how do you know the Davin and Istavaan required horus to turn around? no-where does it say that, all it says it that they went there. It is more than likly they had to go a different course, but it would be to a totally different area anyway, so no marine pick ups there.

3) "whether theres documents that exist or were destroyed by the inquisition no one knows and the inquisition was good at getting rid of such documents that referred to pre-heresy."

What has this got to do with anything? there are no documents unless someone says there is in an offical peice of fluff. You are also dragging the Inquisition into this for no reason.

4. "And the garrisons which horus stopped at were ones he had established near cthonia"

This on its own, nearly disproves your intire theory about a lone company of marines being left on a garrison world.

Now please READ this before you post a reply.

Chithonia is a planet near to the solar system. Infact its so near, non warp craft can get from there to terra fairly fast. Now if you say horus had men here, and if some were loyal, theres a good chance theyd warn the emperor somehow. Horus is aware of this, so checks any marine not with him at istavaan for being loyal. Your marines are found out and killed by an "acidental titan cannon misfire" or similar.

5. as for you comments about the dark angels, look what happend they turned to chaos. So if men are left behind, its plausible theyd go to chaos without the warmasters persuasion.

To sum up take a step back from this and think for a second about all the problems your men need to face down.

1. they must evade detection by Horus, whose going to be on the lookout for traitors to his force.

2. They must escape from the planet theyre on.

3 they must escape horus's avenging army, who will be worried the men will go straight to terra.

4. They must survive the warp journey itself, with a skeltal crew of X men.

5. They have to avoid being executed by the inquisiton for heracy, Upon reaching terra.

6. they have to convince the inquiziton to A) pardon them for their legions sins (not likeley) and B ) convince whoever is in charge of the chapters to, instead of disbanding them into other forces, leting them re-grow a chapter WHO TURNED TO CHAOS ALMOST IN THEYRE INTIRITY.

7. They must the survive the HH itself, as they would certainly have to fight.

Im sorry it simply dosnt work, theyre is no scope for what you surgest, its toataly impracticle to surgest that however many men actaully survived the huge purge of the loyalists in the traitor leigons

[ze_poodle]

Here's a tip: when you come here asking for comments and criticism on your army fluff that you think is totally awesome, be civil. Listen to the comments and criticism that you asked for. Respond politely.

Please don't start calling people idiots because they took the time to read your crap. Please.