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Just wondering. C'tan, or at least the deciever, can take on absolutely any shape they want can't they? Right from a little grot (although I doubt they'd ever sink that low) up to a towering god of vengence the size of mountains?
Just wondering about doing something a little different model wise. Although the deceiver model looks pretty cool, considering how powerful it is I would have thought it could put in a bit more effort when it's on the battlefield, and the current model just doesn't do it for me.
So fluff wise are there any restrictions to shape? Obviously I'd keep it the same size for game purposes.
Ruleswise, I would guess it can't be smaller than the official model or on a smaller base, because I know there was some debate amongst the Witchhunters players about modifying the height of the Seraphim by cutting off those ridiculous tabs underneath their feet. Fluffwise, go nuts--the Deceiver has been confirmed as being able to change itself into something at least as small as the average human. I'd say even the necrodermis has limits, though; something too small (e.g. fly) or too big (e.g. Titan-sized) would strain even advanced Necrontyr technology.
The Emperor set a fire in their hearts that they might burn the iniquitous and the impure from his sight. And the light of that flame shall be as a beacon to the faithful, a light that shines in the darkest places.
Not sure about 'any shape they want'. In their natural form, I think they look like balls of burning energy (hence why they kill people when they 'die') but the form on the battlefield is just a synthetic mechanical body made of living metal into which the C'tan can upload themselves in order to have a discernable impact on the world. While it is living metal and thus can likely change shape within reason, becomming significantly smaller or bigger is kind of wierd.. where does the extra metal come from?
As I said though, I am going to be keeping it the same size for game terms.
What about stuff like the assasination story in the codex. I'm assuming the one who has all the funny powers is a c'tan, most likely the deciever. Is he in living metal as a human, or can they be physically there in a shape without it?
I know the story you are referring to. I'm positive it was the Deceiver in that situation. There are actually a number of stories involving the Deceiver taking a human form, which is bent out of necrodermis by his will. Deus ex Mechanicus is actually a great example mentioned in the codex.
C'tan are able to take any form they wish. In battle however it would seem that they want to display their majesty and power and so take the "god forms" of when they were worshiped. Though since C'tan are made out of pure energy, they are essentially just given a giant lump of super-dense metal and told "hey you can play with this however you want," so they do.
I've heard tales of hilarious stand-ins for C'tan. I believe a Pony once took the Deceiver's place on a game-board somewhere.
That's fair enough, but let me put it this way.
If YOU saw a 20 foot tall naked glowing man throwing tanks around, wouldn't you be scared? Or if not scared, just completely dumbstruck?
The Jackal good conversion could be pretty sweet if you ask me.
If it's out of a 20ft man with a human head, or a 20ft man with a jackal head, I'd be more scared of the second tbh. And the actual man part of the model isn't that much is it? Alot of the height of both the C'tan is because they are flying.
edit -> I had a look at the model I was planning on basing it on in the store today... it's tiny. Need to find something else to base it on. Anyone know of a large bareskinned human figure from any of the GW ranges? I want it too look nice and muscular, will have a go at making the head from scratch.
Last edited by Dheorl; February 16th, 2010 at 20:29.