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I know there are a couple old threads about this already, and that the general consensus is that the Laughing God is NOT the Deceiver, I have a question for someone with the Eldar codex or who knows the fluff REALLY well. Does it ever say, specifically, that the Laughing God was the one to trick the C'Tan into eating each other?
Cause if so then both codexes seem to confirm that they are one and the same. It blatantly says in the Necron codex that the Deceiver IS the Laughing God (which doesn't make a lot of sense since I thought the Laughing God lived in the warp which is supposedly anathema to the C'Tan).
Page 25 of the Necron Codex in the little side box labeled OUTSIDER; "The nomadic Harlequins have a legend, recounted barely once every century, about the lunacy of the Outsider. They tell the tale of when the Laughing God first tricked the Outsider into eating its brothers;"
Page 32 of the Necron Codex, first paragraph under the bold title WAR AMONG THE GODS, quite plainly says the Deceiver was the one to trick the other C'Tan. (Page 28 it also says that the Deceiver was the one to trick the Nightbringer into eating other C'Tan, and that he was the first to do so and his doing so caused the other C'Tan to start, which seems to possibly contradict the box on page 28 saying the Laughing God convinced the Outsider).
It also implicitly states on Page 28 that it was the Deceiver who betrayed the Nightbringer at the end, which, and here's where I need someone with better knowledge of the fluff, is also attributed to the Laughing God (since I am under the impression that it was the Laughing God who told Khaine how to defeat the Nightbringer).
So is it the case that GW originally wanted them to be the same but then later changed their minds (or forgot) and have retconned it in later editions and codexes? Or was this just poor planning when they wrote up the histories and accidentay attributed the same thing events to two characters?
Last edited by JesseS; February 26th, 2010 at 07:36. Reason: Spelling.
Common, its GW. I have to give this one up to poor planning. GW does this all the time with the fluff.
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The laughing god Tricked the Outsider into eating other C'tan. The Deceiver tricked the Nightbringer into doing it. Each had a slightly different effect. The Outsider was driven mad by the still active minds of his cousins being trapped within. The Nightbringer started the war of the C'tan, and basically it ended up destroying all but 4 of them (I'm always mad they went with 4 c'tan...there are 4 chaos gods, PICK A NEW NUMBER GW!!)
There's more than 4 chaos gods. Malal is just sitting, waiting...
Also, the orks have 2 gods...
So, 4 isn't the big GWS number:-P
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"Page 32 of the Necron Codex, first paragraph under the bold title WAR AMONG THE GODS, quite plainly says the Deceiver was the one to trick the other C'Tan."
So, the more I think about it the more I think GW wanted the Eldar's Laughing God to actually be the Deceiver and then later changed their minds.
And for the record, the Laughing God does not live in the Warp. Cegorach lives in the Webway. There's a very, very important difference.
I personally think that the Deceiver was the one who tricked the C'tan into destroying each other because it was the weakest of them and did not have the strength to fight them itself. (although that is 'Cron fluff.) The Laughing God probably played a part in this, though I sincerely doubt the two worked together. The two beings are inherently similar in nature and the Laughing God has been depicted on a Deceiver model once if I remember correctly as well, back at Gamesday 2003 or so.
While we're on the subject, while not broach the Void Dragon/Machine Spirit topic/conspiracy theory?
The only other C'Tan conspiracy theory I know of is some people think the Hive Mind of the Tyranids is actually the Outsider.
I know the Machine Spirit is the Void Dragon, the amount of books that have implied it less-than-subtly makes it pretty much a certainty and although it is not explicitly stated GW seem to have realised that that's what everyone thinks now and make it even less subtle. But it started off as a conspiracy theory.
As to the one about the Outsider being the Hive Mind... I personally don't think the Hive Mind is a single sentient being but rather the collective consciousness and driving force of the entire Tyranid race. There might be one massive uber-Norn Queen behind it all but I don't think there is a single 'Hive Mind' being as such.
Not to go off on a tangent or anything.