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I have been thinking about Tyranids and their rapid consumption of the galaxy. I find a lot of people, and even the books, say that it will be the end of the galaxy. But I belive that it will be the end of civilization, not life.
This is because when Tyranids attack a system, they only will attack a place in which the planet will be able to replace the lost energy and bio-mass from when the planet is attacked and consumed.
And lets face it, a lot of the planets will not hold enough recources to sustain a bio-fleet of any size. On another note, to my knowledge, many of the Cappillary towers and Digestion pools are left on the planet because there would be no way to transport the bio-mass to the fleet.
Am I correct, or is there something I am missing?
You'd have a point, but the Tyranids don't harvest sustainably, they take everything.. all organic matter, usable minerals in the ground, all the water, even the atmosphere is stripped away.. Ultimately, you're left with a barren rock spinning in the void, and while it's not inconcievable that over billions of years the planet's gravity could draw in a new atmosphere and ultimately water could form and evolve life, for the concievable future the planet is well and truly dead.
While the capillary towers are left, there's no food left to sustain them. Ultimately, they'll die off and become massive frozen corpsicles. Digestion pools will boil off along with any remaining standing liquid as the atmosphere goes.. In short, by the time the hive fleet leaves the planet is well and truly strip-mined and isn't going to have any life beyond a few possible subterranian microbes here and there.
I see your point. I was just thinking because I think that there were some pieces of fluff in the new tyranid codex has some talk about the Hive Fleet actually skipping some planets in order to reach the planet with a heap of bio-mass. If I remember correctly the invasion of the Macragge system is an example. The hive Fleet skipped all the other planets and consumed the 'jewel of Macragge' before attacking Macragge. I can't remember the name of the planet...
Also another thing is that there has been instances in which the Hive Fleets avoid tomb worlds, or planets with Necrons. Necrons don't actually destroy all life, only destroy civilized beings that can fight back. Correct me if I'm wrong here.
Enroute to Macragge, if I recall, the hive fleet split and avoided a tomb torld by light years. Their immense psychic presence would awaken the tomb, and it is a fight they know they cannot win.
Also, no idea where I heard this or if it is even canon, might have just been conjecture brought up in conversation of some such.. but I'm lead to believe that the Tyranids, as they must originate from somewhere, have a home galaxy which they consume sustainably, whilst venturing out to other galaxies in rotation to consume them once life has returned. Bioships advance implacably, and it is conceivable that they enter a dormant state of hibernation whilst traveling.. and so this process could very well occur over billions of years. In which time, it is also conceivable that life of some variety would return to the barren galaxy left behind.
I agree with the initial conclusion though, they do not threaten the end of all life, but the end of all civilization.
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Well, you have to remember that the Tyranid forces currently in the galaxy are supposed to be the vanguard organisms of massive fleets in the intergalactic void.. When those arrive, I imagine anything left over from the previous swathes of destruction will be consumed. As more of the galaxy gets munched and food becomes scarce, hive fleets will eat whatever they can find.. crossing the galactic void is a massive expenditure of energy and resources after all, I don't think they'll move on until the previous galaxy is utterly barren.
As for Necrons, their goal is ultimately pacification rather than eradication but ultimately if they were to 'win', they would likely do away with all non-essential life.. Sentient races would be factory farmed by the millions for essence and slavery, but there would be no need for most plants and animals, they'd just be a pointless but potentially risky dud component. I guess most planets would be reshaped or nano-converted by the C'tan into massive Matrix-style breeding farms and geometry defying living-metal hellscapes designed to create emotions the C'tan find tasty, if indeed they didn't just destroy all planets and build their machinescapes in space structures like the dyson sphere.. Until then though, the Necrons don't necessarily kill everything.
A thought just occured to me. Do tyranids have anyway to access/enter the webway/warp. If they can't enter the warp they can never kill chaos and if they can't enter the webway Eldar have a chance. I personally think the webway could save the Eldar race, with them flying the craftworlds into it throught the largest of portals and then "turning off" the entrances/exits until the tyranids have moved on.
Alternatively, I think it is less likely but chaos could utilise the warp to gain access to the heart of hive fleets, pop out and destroy them with suicidal tactics before the fleet has any time to react. Eldar again could do the same.
(when I say eldar I include dark eldar as well).
Is this possible?
Tyranids have full access to the Warp. Indeed, it seems that they are immune to many of its dangers thanks to the massive psychic presence of the Hive Mind and it projecting it's 'Shadow'.
And you don't 'kill Chaos'. Chaos and the Warp is the raw emotions of psychic beings and cannot simply be destroyed.
The Webway is fully dependant on gates to enter and exit it and you cannot just go out/in wherever you choose. Craftworlds travel in real-time space using regular propulsion since there are no gates large enough to contain a Craftworld.
Travel is used by small ships locking on to distant gravity, then sling-shoting forwards. In star systems, the complex sensors are unable to pic specific gravity pockets, so sort of dirft in. This can slow the inavsion down by about decades. Thats the gist i belive, unless the fluffs been changed.
As for psychic powers, nids' syphon of a bit of the hive mind itself, instead of using the warp. Dangerous effects stil occour due to synaptic overload and over-powerd abilitys.
The shadow of the warp simply blocks the warp off for others, making it a lot harder to accses, the tyranids dont need protection directly.
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He's right, the Tyranids don't use the warp, the Shadow is merely a byproduct of the Hive Mind's incredible sentience. They cannot enter it on their own, or navigate once inside, that's how Behemoth was destroyed: the whole fleet got sucked into the warp, and would then be destroyed because they can't get out or effectively defeat all of the daemons inside.