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I was reading the Ultramarine codex again today and it mentions about how it is a great honour to have a family member who is in the Chapter, especially so if they become an honoured member such as a Chapter Master.
Obviously this would suggest that the heirarchy of the Chapter is known to the general population and that the Ultramarines keep their family names.
It got me thinking about a space marines relationship to his family. Now for a vast majority of Chapters I would guess there is no relationship. You join the Chapter, it becomes your family. Between hypno-indoctrination and old fashioned brainwashing your former life becomes a distant memory.
But there are some Chapters which have a close bond to their homeworlds and even govern a planet. It made me wonder if any of these marines stay in touch with their family. I am not saying they go home for Sunday lunch but perhaps every 50 or 100 years they might celebrate a Feast day or perform some kind of ritual of initiation as a living ancestor of sorts. Perhaps anoint a new head of the family that kind of thing.
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Perhaps for some chapters. I can imagine the Salamanders keeping in touch with their "blood family" considering if they arent on a mission or have active orders they chill on Nocturne with the people.
With other chapters (i.e.Dark Angels, Black Templars,) especially the fleet based ones I dont see them doing a whole lot about family.
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There's certainly nothing to preclude it, but given how even mundane military life interferes with family and other relationships I'm not surprised that most Chapters 'just say no'. Only a planet-based Chapter could even think about doing so and I don't see much benefit, material or emotional, in encouraging the practice. Not to mention how busy Marines tend to be these days, fighting threats that the Imperium would rather the general public not know about...but I wouldn't be too surprised if a Chapter permitted occasional letter exchanges or something.
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Well how long does ittake for the marine to become a Marine?
I know that they take a long time to go from Neyophite to even becomming a scout to making it as a full fledged Battle Brother. Up to wich point I doubt that they'd have any real connection to their past life, for fear of them deserting and to keep them focused on their training. By the time they do become a Full Battle Brother I doubt it'd matter, how long will it have been since they've seen their families? Since they've communicated?
Unless their family is full of high born Nobles and other wealthy civillians then by the time they become a Marine all of the people from their past life would be dead, changed, or gone. Besides they would no longer have anything in common with them.
Think of it, you say bye to your parents and life, go to boarding school for 80-100+ years, become a genetically enhanced supersoldier with nothing but faint memories of your family and friends, and no contact with them for that whole time what would you do? You'd stick with your battle brothers! They would be your family and they would be with you.
With the few chapters such as Salamanders I have no idea. I guess if their family is in the right area they could have contact but how long until they will be able to? The genetic enhancements take time and I beleive that you are not conscous for years or decades while they take effect, at least that's what I beleive the fluff to be. If i'm wrong let me know.
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There is some other instance of Ultramarines having a family, or at least descendants. In the Ultramarines series (which is quoted by numerous codexes, so it could be considered canon), Uriel Ventris is descended from famous 1st Company veteran. As Space Marines are taken generally before puberty (or during the early phases at the latest), it is conceivable that they must somehow have families or at least offspring.
Well, they may have families as the feral tribes from which they are (generally) drawn are likely to start families earlier than we currently do. So they may well have offspring of their own before they go to the chapter. Failing that, siblings happen.
I'd guess any familiy reunions will be heavily formalised and restricted, given a marine's general daily timetable.
It'd be really hard. Take all the usual problems with war veterans communicating or reconnecting with their families during or after a tour of service, and multiply it by like a hundred.
Your Marine is going to be away for decades at a time, only returning to the homeworld resupply or participate in ceremonies, and he can expect to do this for centuries. On his homeworld, which is likely a feral or death world, his family can't expect to live very long - even if a relative survives to become old, he'll start getting slow and sick and death is never far away. He might return from one ten-year patrol on a starship and find that everyone he knew personally is dead. They probably already died during his seven-to-ten year training period, or the ten years he spends as a Scout after that. So any contact isn't going to be on a generational rather than a personal basis. He might follow his bloodline down, showing up every ten or fifteen years for Christmas or something like that, and barring disaster they'll probably remember him from their grandfather's story about that time their great-great-great-grand-uncle came back to visit.
So there's some simple but not insurmountable time problems. Maybe your Marine has family on a civilised world, like the Ultramarines tend to do, and maybe there's access to rejuvenat treatments, so you can keep in touch with the same people over nearly a century. You've still got typical rehabilitation problems - Marines come from pretty cold-hearted stock originally, and years spent fighting a long and hopeless war of unspeakable brutality where the average opponent has ten times the amount of concentrated evil as Lex Luthor is going to harden a person. Some Marines don't understand what beds are, or why sex is important, or why people bother with cutlery or fancy clothes or expensive meals. And even the ones who do recognise the niceties of human relationships treat them kind of distantly, the way we might recognise that it's important to bow to people in Japan but never totally understand why or do it ourselves.
There are some chapters, like the Celestial Lions or the Salamanders, who buck the trend in this regard and maintain an attitude of compassion and optimism while performing the most brutal job imaginable and who deliberately partake in community activities for their humanising aspect. And there are some, like the Blood Angels, who deliberately pursue aesthetics other than warfare. They might find it easier to relate to ordinary people. So it's not impossible to do this kind of thing, but it's definitely the exception to the rule.
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Read 'Ragnar's Claw', as I think it would be a good guidance to this, Ragnar was married with children before he was killed in battle and taken to become a Space Wolf. But he still remembers his wife and kids, and wonders how they are doing, but they don't go back, ever.
On this subject, can Space Marines have offspring post genetic enhancement? I realise it would be an incredibly rare occurence due to the above mentioned circumstances interfering with any potential romantic relationship but would it be possible? I've never read anything relating to it. And if it were, would any of the genetic enhancement carry over to these offspring? Disregarding difficulties with birth and so forth would it be possible for a child to be born with some Space Marine like characteristics?
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If you read the SM books there are references to Space Marines who act as guardians to their remaining family members in other words they'll check up on them whenever they get the chance to.
Last edited by Guarder22; May 27th, 2010 at 10:54.