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Hey just need some help on iron warriors fluff, ideas and what units to buy. My iron warriors at the moment are a mech army and have lots of basic troopsplus some khorn zerkas and thousand sons just for that assult and AP3 bolters =D
Wondering if Huron Blackheart would fit in my army if he was re-named and re-painted as he is a good all rounder HQ
and also what other stuff like elites and fast attack and heavy support would fit nicely into the charecter of iron warriors army
Vindicators are a perfect choice for heavy support, with seige cannons and the dozer blades to push through rubble and debris. Defilers upgraded with every shooting upgrade would a good substitute for daemon artillery engines. Finally Havocs and Obliterators would be good as well, but not as fluffy as the Vindicators. Finally, when playing Apocalypse games, maybe include a Titan, the Legio Mortis (Death Heads) Titan Legion has worked closely with the Iron Warriors since the end of the Heresy.
Fast attack aren't that fluffy, as the Iron Warriors are generally static fighters. For elites go with either lots of Terminators or with infiltrating Chosen squads with meltabombs and meltaguns for some sabotage behind enemy lines. Huron would be good if he was redone, if not him then make a Chaos lord with a daemon weapon.
I'm not too sure about the Thousand Sons, how many do you have? If it's only a squad that should be pretty good, as they would be the bodyguard for the sorcerer.
As for background, what is your army's fluffy objective? To take a fort, to kill Imperials, to regain a priceless object, etc? What is the story behind your Warsmith (title of the guy leading the army) and your Grand Company (what Iron Warriors call warbands)?
I'm not a huge IW fluff person but over the last couple of weeks I've helped two people build fluffy list from what THEY know from reading many of the Horus Heresy books and things.
IW's don't use transports, and generally foot slog up the field with heavy fire support. They are specialize in fortification and also siege on fortifications. So yah, Marius had it right with Vindicators and las-preds and things that cause big damage to strong things. T-sons don't really fit into the fluff, neither do zerkers but obviously in terms of game play they work.
Read THIS for more information, i think it does a good job explaining this composition.
If you really want to know Iron Warriors battle-styles, read the novel 'Storm of Iron' by Graham Macneill. Amazing for Iron Warriors fluff. Also, the third and sixth Ultramarines novels can count as the second and third novels in the Iron Warriors series, as they follow the main character from Storm of Iron.
Personally, for your troops I wouldn't ue anything outside of basic CSM, with meltas and Rhinos, as Berzerkers and Thousand Sons belong to different legions. For heavies, I agree with Vindicators, but you could also use Land Raiders and/or Oblits, as they weild some very heavy firepower. For Elites I'd go with Termies with an aresenal of heavy weapons (ie. heavy flamer, reaper autocannon, chainfists), or Outflanking Chosen with meltas. Don't use Fast support as if you read the old codex entry for Iron Warriors, they could replace 2 fast attack slots for 1 extra heavy choice, showing me that they wouldn't use fast attack in order to favor more artilley.
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Iron Warriors wouldn't have Beserkers, Thousand Sons, or Plague Marines because they are Iron Warriors...Look, you play the game any way you want, sure take whatever you want, but if your talking Iron Warriors then they are Iron Warriors. In the game, they'd just be CSMs, no mark, not even undivided. As for whatever else you guys are refuting, just because they are "mechanized" doesn't mean they use troop transports, save maybe a land raider(becasue its a heavy vehicle). This legion could assault a whole world with probably only 20-30 actual Iron Warriors because they rely more heavily on bombardments, air strikes, titan legions, and fortications to do their work.
I went searching for a better definition of the IW legion then the first link i gave you, so i suggest you read this
This emphasis on artillery and mechanized warfare means that Iron Warrior forces often fare best in siege warfare and armored advances on enemy territory.The third wave is made up entirely of troop transports and orbit-to-ground drop pods.Where do you get that they don't use transports, besides the occasional Land Raider? If you read the article you linked fully, you'll read these quotes for yourself, and there's no disputing that evidence!Over a period of time ranging from months to mere hours, this formidable Iron Warriors incursion will then engage in a series of lightning-fast strikes, armored advances and carefully-laid sieges, until no enemy resistance remains.
Definition of mechanized: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/mechanized
2. To equip (a military unit) with motor vehicles, such as tanks and trucks.
And a little bit for Iron Warriors Berzerkers (which can be explained, fluffwise, quite simply):To help the OP, instead of just arguing some fluff points:the Iron Warriors adopt an ice-cold ferocity that is comparable to that displayed by the Blood Angels or the World Eaters
HQ: Almost anything goes here. You can easily explain an Undivided Lord such as Huron Blackheart, so long as you have a WYSIWYG model and want to change his name. Daemon Princes are also good to go, too; they could simply be lesser Warsmiths given the go-ahead by Perturabo.
Elites: Terminators would probably not be a bad choice, but I would say Chosen are a great idea, based on this quote:Troops: Chaos Space Marines, Undivided mark should be fine, and Rhino transports are good to go. Maybe the occasional (one or two at most) squad of Berzerkers could be fluffed up a bit.and instead the Iron Warriors will resort to covert insertion of select Iron Warriors on-world to scout and secure a landing zone in a surprise assault, preferably while also eliminating as much of the enemy's defensive capability as possible.
Fast Attack: Not sure anything here will fit.
Heavy Support: Go to town! Iron Warriors have an affinity for Obliterators and heavy tanks (like Vindicators, etc.) so you really can't go wrong here.
well thats really help and thanx alot guys i need some vindicators in my army plus some oblits
The average size of a 40K board means that it is hard to be unfluffy even with a relatively static army such as the Iron Warriors. Even bikes can have their uses in punching a hole through the enemy defences for example.
But if you want a themed army I think the best thing to do is to imagine a large iron Warriors force dedicated to siege and then decide what part of the siege your 1500 or 2000pt army is going to represent. i.e if it represents the final cleanse and destroy element then lots of basic Chaos marines with flamers and melta weapons. If it represents the breach being made then Vindicators and Bezerkers would be appropriate and maybe even bikes. If it represents the initial bombardment then Havocs and Defilers would be the way to go.
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