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    Pre Heresy Techmarines

    Did pre-heresy techmarines go to mars to recieve training?


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    Mars has been the homeworld of the Mechanicum since before the Imperium existed, so yes. Mars was actually one of the first worlds to be absorbed after the Emperor left Terra.
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    While we're on the subject of Techmarines during the Crusade, can someone point me to where they show up in fluff? It seems to me that they wouldn't really have a need for specialised Techmarines per se since the Legions were all fighting alongside Mechanicum and Imperial Army personnel who could probably do much of the same stuff.

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    They don't get any attention in the Heresy novels but I can't see any reason why they wouldn't exist. They wouldn't really have been as needed since all the exploration fleets were self-sufficient, but that doesn't mean "no." Apothecaries don't get mentioned either, but they're still probably there. It's the law of conservation of detail; they don't get mentioned because they're not important.
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    I don't think they existed before Guilliman's reforms. My understanding is that, under the combined-forces organization of the Great Crusade, tech-priests served Marines directly. It's quite inefficient, actually, to invest so many resources into creating a Marine, only to then retrain him into being a mechanical engineer. Techmarines only became necessary after the Heresy because all Imperial factions were required by Guilliman's reforms to field independent forces.

    This is why the training of Techmarines is based on pacts between the Marines and AdMech...or, if you prefer, based on long-standing contracts of service. The AdMech trains a Marine as a tech-priest, which lets the Marines get around the limitation of 'separate factions', and in exchange the AdMech gain a limited ability to require the Marines' services, something that they would not normally be allowed to do. ("Five Techmarines a century in exchange for all the archaeotech you come across!")

    As an example, suppose an ordinary tech-priest was serving in a Marine Chapter. There's a harsh battle and one of the Marine Dreadnoughts is killed. The Marines order the priest to restore it in order to honor the dead battle-brother and keep a tradition alive but, after checking it out, the tech-priest decides that such a rebuild would be disrespectful to its machine-spirit and recycles it into armor plating instead. In this example, the Marines would not be allowed to stop or punish the tech-priest for doing so because the Priesthood and the Astartes are separate institutions and aren't allowed to order the other side around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Intrepid View Post
    Techmarines only became necessary after the Heresy because all Imperial factions were required by Guilliman's reforms to field independent forces.
    This isn't really relevant, but the actual intent of Gulliman's reforms was to make every organ of the Imperial military machine interdependent, so that no one element could rebel and see any success. The Guard needs the Navy to move around, the Navy needs the Guard to hold territory, they both need the Mechanicum to maintain their machinery, they all need the Munitorum to fuel and resupply, and so on. It stops an Imperial commander from just up and deserting. The consequence is that no single Imperial faction can actually wage war by itself. Even Marines are only effective when used in conjunction with more numerous supporting forces.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ze_poodle View Post
    They don't get any attention in the Heresy novels but I can't see any reason why they wouldn't exist. They wouldn't really have been as needed since all the exploration fleets were self-sufficient, but that doesn't mean "no." Apothecaries don't get mentioned either, but they're still probably there. It's the law of conservation of detail; they don't get mentioned because they're not important.

    Doesn't one turn up in one of the Dark Angels HH novels? Terrible as they are.
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    I'm reading the Horus Rising book right now.

    On page 130 is the first mention of terminators. Luna Wolves have just dropped to planet Sixty-three Nineteen and are disembarking from the stormbird transports.

    "'Lets do this, and do this quickly,' Loken told his officers. 'The Terminators have the lead here. Rassek?'

    'My squad is ready to serve, captain,' Rassek replied curtly. Like all the men in his specialist squad, Sergeant Rassek wore the titanic armour of the Terminator, a variant only lately introduced into the arsenal of the Astartes. By dint of their primacy, and the fact that their primarch was Warmaster, the Luna Wolves had been amongst the first legions to benefit from the issue of Terminator plate. Some legions still entirely lacked it..."
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    I know this is of topic but the last one was too so i don't feel as responsible. :p Apothacaries were mentioned quite a lot in the horus heresy novels, there was the chief apothicary in the 2nd and 3rd books who helped (someone) when he was stabbed by (someone else), note i'm not giving away spoilers. Also in flight of the eisenstein there is apothicary Voyen who decides to stay a loyalist, Good on him i say!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SnohKrash View Post
    I'm reading the Horus Rising book right now.

    On page 130 is the first mention of terminators. Luna Wolves have just dropped to planet Sixty-three Nineteen and are disembarking from the stormbird transports.

    "'Lets do this, and do this quickly,' Loken told his officers. 'The Terminators have the lead here. Rassek?'

    'My squad is ready to serve, captain,' Rassek replied curtly. Like all the men in his specialist squad, Sergeant Rassek wore the titanic armour of the Terminator, a variant only lately introduced into the arsenal of the Astartes. By dint of their primacy, and the fact that their primarch was Warmaster, the Luna Wolves had been amongst the first legions to benefit from the issue of Terminator plate. Some legions still entirely lacked it..."

    What does that have to do with tech priests?
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