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Recently I've been pondering over his position on Mars and how this essentially means he can never be awakened otherwise it would "cripple the Imperium," but I see some flaws in this.
1). Firstly, when the nightbringer was awoken he was weak from his time in stasis, having not consumed any energy for years, even now he isn't at full strength and is probably beatable for the purposes of entombing him. So surely the first thing the Dragon would do is flee to regain strength? (I don't know if there were any other factors meaning that the Nightbringer in particular was weak when he left stasis, so that may be it).
2). The Void Dragon is rumoured to be able to control machines. However I can't see how he does this. He isn't the machine spirit inside all the vehicles as that is just an AI system. He can't just hack into their equipment instantly as surely a titan would have a safeguard against this (shut down automatically or something) and it would be really lame if he just willed machines to obey him, as this raises the question, why can't he will either all inaminate objects or all electricity (depending on which he controls as he has to control one to control "machines").
3). I heard that some of the Mechanicus believe(d) that he is the Machine God but do all of them? And surely if they didn't all think this then many of the followers of a C'tan would have joined the Dark Mechanicus. Or the high lords of terra would have sent assassins after them for being heretical.
Thoughts on these flaws in the Void Dragon's awakening being the end of the Imperium? Can anybody else see problems with his supposed ability to ruin humanity or am I just looking to deeply into it?
The Void Dragon is the Machine God but they don't know it. They don't actuley know it's the Void Dragon emparting it's knoledge to them, back when the Emperor bitch slaped and enslaved it as a source of technology for his new empire he kept it top secret, not many actuley knew what this source of new tech realy was. Over the millenia as the Imperium became more and more superstisous and backward this mysterious source of new tech became reveerd and deafied as a god.I heard that some of the Mechanicus believe(d) that he is the Machine God but do all of them?The Techpriests don't realy understand what computer code is or how it works, they view entering code as some sort of holy ritural or ceramony. Because of this it's entirely possible that the Void Dragon has written controll codes into it over the years planning for his escape. As for the Titans, they are directley based on Necron technology (or inspired by it) and would defenatley be vunrible to the Void Dragon. It's just lucky that the K'Tan have the nasty habbit of eating each other, so, don't realy share their secrets or their toys, any tech developed based on secrets extracted from the Void Dragon wouldn't be vunrible in the same way to the other K'Tan.The Void Dragon is rumoured to be able to control machines. However I can't see how he does this. He isn't the machine spirit inside all the vehicles as that is just an AI system. He can't just hack into their equipment instantly as surely a titan would have a safeguard against thisI guess it wouldn't be at full streanth but remember, it's had over ten thousand years to lay the ground work. If it ever escapes it'll have a power base on Mars ready and waiting for it to take controll. All the machines of the Mechanicus, the Titan leigeons and the great Imperial fleet. Holy crap! It could do a lot of dammage.when the nightbringer was awoken he was weak from his time in stasis, having not consumed any energy for years, even now he isn't at full strength
To be honest. I would wait till the next necron codex. There are rumours that the star gods will be written off all together.
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The Void Dragon controls machines because it's a C'tan.. A machine is just a collection of matter and energy, you move the energy in different places and the matter does different things. That level of control is above and beyond any kind of encryption or defensive security system, it's based on fundamental control of the universe itself.
Originally (and often still fluffwise) Necron Warriors were capable of overriding and taking control of any machine they came into contact with. I'm sure their masters can do it, and if the Dragon is meant to be good at it, I'd reckon he's very, very good at it.
Hmm.. it'd be kind of odd if they scrapped the C'tan, but I'll roll with it. I didn't like them when they came out anyway.
I say this every time it comes up.. The void dragon isn't the machine god. There is no evidence whatsoever that the Dragon could walk (well.. float) into a room of tech priests and recieve any cries of 'oh look, it's the machine god'. More likely responses may well be 'what the hell is that thing?', as most people would say when confronted with a floating metal dude. The Void Dragon may have inspired the ancient mechanicus to invent the idea of the machine god, perhaps in the same way the nightbringer inspired the grim reaper. There are hints of a group of mentally scarred tech priests on mars who serve the Void Dragon. That doesn't mean the mechanicus worships or serves the void dragon, and it certainly doesn't mean the void dragon is the machine god.
My opinion, it's one of those fan theories which a lot of people have got way too excited about.
Last edited by The_Giant_Mantis; September 7th, 2010 at 22:10.
The difference between the Night Bringer being weak when he awoke and the Void Dragon is that the Night Bringer's supply of energy was wasted by the Deciever. This happened around the time he went into his slumber (just before or just after) and it meant it was very hard for the Night Bringer to survive millions of years. When he awoke he was weak, the Void Dragon may have a full belly or whatever.
I've heard they may scrap the C'tan as well. However I've heard this is only going to apply to using them in the game. They will still exist in the fluff but they won't show up or have rules as models anymore. I think it may be better that way because having them show up is like having a Chaos God show up in person or the Tyranid Hive mind manifest all it's power in one place.
Last edited by Leech; September 7th, 2010 at 23:19.
The back story is, before the founding of the Imperium the Emperor kicked the crap out of it, locked it in a tomb under Mars and enslaved it as a source of new tech for his empire. He tapped into it so he could extract it's secrets but kept it fairley top secret, so no one realy knew what this thing providing them new technology was, over the years it began to be regaurded as the Machine god.
You're right, if the Viod Dragon just came into the roomBut it doesn't. The maching God comunicates through weird techno riturals. These riturals developed from the ancient process of extracting info from the Void Dragon.likely responses may well be 'what the hell is that thing?
Yes, the Emperor enslaved it on Mars. Yes, it may be the source of the tech. But I'm yet to see anything GW have ever officially said linking the VD and MG together as the same entity. Hell, to my knowledge they've never explicitly stated the MG as really existing.
I think it's in Mechanicum. Some of the old guard on this forum don't take the Heresy novels as fluff, though.
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i doubt that they will scrap the Ctan as my manager told me, 'they just made a new batch of many thousands of models, they wont do that if they are getting scrapped'. or something on those lines. :p