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Now obviously a lot of things in 40k seem immortal (immune to the effects of "old age") but I was wondering which actually are.
1). Necrons: when they're metal body is destroyed it can be rebuilt and they be placed in it. Does this mean as long as there's necrodermis there's necrons?
2). Eldar: Are they just long living or do they never die? Is this due purely to their species or like the Dark Eldar, do they use technology to help? (which brings the question why don't the dyeing Eldar just create a lot of clones but shh)
3). Humans: With all the technological advances a humans lifespan can be increased, but can it be increased infinitely? (echoes of the Cybermen are entering my mind)
4) Tau and Orks: is anything mentioned about there lifespan?
5). Marines: Like Eldar, are they just long living or do they never die? Of course this time it is definitely due to technology.
immortality as seen in fluff imo is impossible to obtain because its a universe of constant war the emperor is one who i think has obtained this. ortan cassius is the oldest member of the ultramarine chapter and he is testiment to war he is coverd in bionics.
Space marines 6 dread army Wins: 4 ties:2 Loses:7 Modified Standard nilla marines Wins:37 Ties:8 Loses 42 Daemonhunters Wins:3 Ties:0 Loses:1 Full assualt concept army wins: 6 Ties: none Loses: 2
Okay then, but assuming we class an immortal being has an infinite lifespan as long as there are no external factors (instead of one who cannot die) what are the answers to the questions?
Necrons are made of living metal which is more T1000 than traditional metal.. as long as they are powered by that wierd green necron energy stuff they will eventually reform from just about anything. This is why necrons phase out when they suffer casualties, they teleport back to their tombs to regenerate more rapidly. Very little 'kills' necrons.
Craftworld eldar die.. They're just very long lived (several thousand years). Dark Eldar can theoretically prolong their lives infinitely by consuming the souls of others, hence why Asurbadael Vect is over 10,000 years old. Needless to say, given the violence of Dark Eldar culture few get to that position.
I can't remember where I'm getting this from (Xenology maybe) so don't quote me on it, but I think Eldar don't clone themselves because they can't. They aren't an evolved species, they're the products of a race of hyper-geniuses whose genetic engineering tech exceeded anything since.
Humans can achieve clinical immortality, but only the very highest echelons of the Adeptus Mechanicus do it (unless you count dreadnoughts, but that's not really been explained). It involves stripping out almost all of a persons organic components and replacing them with tech (don't think cybermen, think brain in a jar). Also, such 'people' tend to get a little quirky over the centuries.
GW have given us mixed messages about the Tau lifespan.. I think most stuff suggests Tau live shorter lives than humans, as befits their general physical weakness, but then the Farsight legend suggests that's not always the case. Cue spooky music.
Orks probably have no concept of natural death, even if they do have a natural lifespan (and they may not, they aren't animals in the traditional sense).
Last edited by The_Giant_Mantis; November 20th, 2010 at 15:59.
If anythings immortal in 40k, id say its the Tyranids. Or certainly their higher synaptic beastys. When a Hive tyrant is killed, it conciousness is simply placed into a new body and then it goes out to fight with its new knowledge.
The swarmlord has accutally cropped up in different fleets, on opposite sides of the galaxy, but its definatly the same beasty.
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Marines will not die of old age, it is said in quite a bit of fluff of the irony that the Emperor would create Men that age will not touch but are expected to die in combat.
They won't die of old age, but the years of war will add up and their secondary organs will eventually fail, and it basically ends up being the same thing. Blood Angels are particularly resistant to this, which is why you get Dante, who is well over a thousand years old at this point.
Also, warp and chaos shenanigans can artificially extend one's lifetime, but by that point you might not be human anymore anyway.
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The Hive mind is in effect immortal but the Hive mind has no individuality and doesn't care if it's immortal because it has no opinions in the conventional sense. Being immortal probably requires that you are aware of the idea of immortality.
To be immortal is from what I can tell a point of view. The C'tan live forever but they can still die. Other C'tan and psychic energy can kill them as well as it's implied that the Nightbringer nearly starved after his long sleep. Compared to a C'tan a human barely has a lifespan but compared to a human lots of germs barely have a lifespan.
What leech said basically..Originally Posted by Hierodule
Tyranids are figuratively if not literally soulless. Their 'minds' are just a sequence of adaptive instructions designed to help them perform their functions better. Comparing their 'consciousness' with that of singular organisms is kind of a dud project.My point was that all of those species have nothing on the Old Ones, the beings who created the Eldar.Originally Posted by Leech
Eldar genetics is presented in Xenology as fabulously complex and intricate. Heck, they require multiple reproductive cycles in order to conceive. Having sex for them is a biotechnological challenge, let alone diving directly in and trying to replicate the whole thing and get every little variable right so you end up with a pretty space elf and not a mewling horror.
The consept of immortality as having been shaught after by hipocrates in the ancient times,isnt the concept of invisibility(not getting killed by anything),but that of living indefinently without ageing.
So Sancraer you need to define what you mean by immortality.Never ageing or invinsibility?
So as far as we know space marines are immortal(at least they used to be during the heresy era and i dont think why they should not also now).The magi of mars might be also through replacement of flesh but that gets a bit mad.
As far as i remember there is nothing to suggest that nids die of old age,ofcourse the other way round also counts.I doupt there is a nid that has survived many many battles except perhaps the hive ships?
Leech the hive mind has no body thereby the concept of ageing is meaningless to it.The hive mind is a collective consiouness(roughly)thereby,as long as there are nids there will be a hive mind.By the same degree;before the stargods were given their necrodermis they were some form of energy/ethereal being.They didnt have material bodies.Only matter ages,thereby the Ctan wont age.
Immortality is a matter of perspective?So if i keep telling myself i am immortal i am immortal and i finaly believe it i will be immortal?(in 40k at least).
Mantis:As for the necrons.We know that when they 'die' multyple times they become little more than automata.The necron might exist,but its mind is little more than a computer programme.I dont think however sophisticated that is its 'life' with all its meaning.Thereby in my book necrons have a life span(just how many times they need to die to get em alzeheimer)and are not immortal.
Last edited by pilot00; November 22nd, 2010 at 22:56.
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