Welcome to Librarium Online!
Join our community of 80,000+ members and take part in the number one resource for Warhammer and Warhammer 40K discussion!
Registering gives you full access to take part in discussions, upload pictures, contact other members and search everything!
So, I'm building a 1k sons army currently, and I was just wondering a thing...
Was every single 1k son on Prospero when the space pups attacked? Would it be possible for some to have been elsewhere? Furthermore, was all of the 1k sons on the planet of the sorcerers when Ahriman unleashed the rubric?
Is there a possibility that some 1k sons marines would be un-rubriked still? (more or less mutated ofc)
Just a question, need some diversity in my army
There probably were 1K Sons off-planet, but after Magnus turned to Tzzentch for survival they would be refugee Marines without a Legion, at best.
I seriously doubt there are any non-rubric, non-sorceror 1K Sons left. The reason for the Rubric in the first place was that the Sons were mutating uncontrollably...any Marine left untouched is undoubtedly Spawn by now.
For fluff's sake, your guys could be new recruits to the Thousand Sons, or other Marines allied with Tzzentch receiving similar enhancements. There's no backstory on how the Sons endured, replaced losses and so on after the Rubric was performed.
"My tanks have names, my men have numbers." -Col. Edmund Grahvess, 23rd Kronecker Prison Guard
yeah, that was my thought as well, it's kinda hard to replace rubric marines when they...break?
Though it says in the codex that cults that seek help from the 1k sons often end up loosing valuable artifacts and any talented cultists that might become good adepts...
throw in a bit of gene-seed and tadaa...new thousand sons... (gives me an excuse to make possessed in 1k sons armors as well since they wouldn't last very long as non-mutated... )
I think the vast majority of the Legion was on Prospero during the attack. You might want to check the novel.
Any stragglers would have had to have survived the Horus Heresy, the mutations and then the Rubric, which seemed to have been structured to affect everyone who had TS geneseed and wasn't a psyker. The Rubric would probably have caught them even if they were on the other side of the galaxy.
As for recruitment, it's possible for TS warbands to recruit other Chaos marines (who aren't rubric'd, naturally) into their service when they're down on numbers (which is often). Alternately, they may run a cult in which they recruit new Marines with the explicit purpose of sacrificing them to cast some hocus-pocus and trap their souls in their armour, making it look like some sort of apotheosis or something.
The above poster = Totally a member of the Fluff Masters Clan. Click here for fluff pwnage.
Come, sons of LO! Kneel before Poodle!
Mr_Wayne: "Some people believe that the World Eaters do not field any ranged weaponry. Those people often die at a distance."
iirc the Rubric reached out across the galaxy and affected all members of the TS. Those with powers had them heightened. Those without powers were turned to dust.
As stated already, TS warbands most probably recruited new troops/cultists, but given there is no gene-seed except that of psychic TS, it means that each new recruit would also likely become a sorceror. I was playing with this though and came up with the following -- anyone care to de-canon it?
Assuming the new recruits made it to CSM status, their parent gene-seed would gift them (at least minor) psychic abilities. It could be fluffed that their untrained abilities maifest themselves in different ways to all-out sorcerers, specifically, behaving as per the rules for Possessed.
Alternatively, it could be argued that these new, raw, recruits, could have succumbed to Possession. Indeed, given the time taken to train new marines, is it perhaps feasible that the Sorcerers might deliberately boost their numbers for battle by fielding cultists in the power armour of dead brothers, then having them Possessed on the eve of battle? If this were true, you could justify quite a horde of Possessed. The main drawback i see with this idea is that TS would see the Possession of brother marines as a waste of knowledge, but if it were indeed Cultists, then there is no real loss. (And of course, this routine "Earthing" of Daemonic spirits may help prevent the same happening to the Sorcerers
There are three types of people in this world -- those who can count, and those who cannot.
Having just finished A Thousand Sons (the novel I'm guessing ze_poodle was referring to) I believe I recall Magnus giving orders to many of his ships. He sent many of them far and wide across the galaxy without explaining why, giving them sealed orders that they were only to open once they arrived at their destination.
However, I think the sealed orders told them how to find the Daemon world which became the Legion's home, so many would have returned. It's a big galaxy, though, and conceivably some did not, so you'd have some perfect justification to explore your idea as far as I can see.
Also, the entire thousand sons legion were psychic to some degree because Prospero was populated by a mutant subspecies of humanity who all had some degree of psychic power. Most of them will have had negligable power, but that's why the legion had so many psykers. That Magnus the Red just happened to land on a planet populated by mutants was a happy coincidence.
Our genes do not remain unchanged our whole lives, our genetic structure will mutate several times over the years. It is entirely possible (in the 40k universe) that a mutation resulting in some sort of psychic abilerty could occure later in life.What I know about this is a bit sketchy and vague but from what I understand, geneseed can pass abilertys and traits from one generation to another. The geneseed does absorb genetic material from the host and does alter the genetics of new hosts. It's entireley possible that an initiate receiving geneseed from a psycher could inherit some of his traits or abilertys.it doesn't generally manifest in later life regardless of how many extra organs you get implanted with.
I also don't generally treat anything written by the black library as hard canon. They're great books and I have enjoyed them in the past but they're often written by contract writers with very little supervision. That doesn't mean you shouldn't use them as great examples of how to write fluff (I certainly have) but they're not the final word to me at all.
Having someone manifest psychic power through geneseed doesn't make a whole lot of sense, and in this case would make most of thousand sons fluff completely redundant from a storytelling perspective. Why would Prospero have to have been a special world of psykers if Magnus geneseed was just going to make everyone psychic anyway?
Also, according to the last chaos codex the chaos legions have no geneseed any more. It's mutated to uselessness after years in the eye. Geneseed is very fragile and sometimes mutates under normal conditions in realspace. Exposing it to Chaos energy rapidly renders it useless. This is why Fabius Bile is important because he came up with alternate ways to produce marines and marine-like super soldiers.
Last edited by The_Giant_Mantis; January 9th, 2011 at 00:54.
I should say, I'm not an expert, this is just what I remember from school.I've read a lot of fluff mentioning that genetic manipulations are part of the creation process but this is Black Library stuff so I'm not shure if it can be considdered 100% cannon.reading back to the 'creation of a space marine article' it certainly sounds to me like a space marine's organs are just that, organs. They pass on traits because they chemically or physically alter or augment his body, they don't necessarily alter genetics at all.
Having looked over "the creation of a spacemarine" article I can only find a few mentions that might surpport what I've read.Oh.... Well, wether what I read about it is cannon or not I guess it's a moot point in this case.according to the last chaos codex the chaos legions have no geneseed any more. It's mutated to uselessness after years in the eye.