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It is established fluff that from time to time the high lords of terra command the creation of new chapters of space marines to replace chapters lost during battle or those that have defected to chaos. The gene banks are open, men are implanted with geneseed and then equipped in the fashion of space marines. But what happens next? Are they simply flung out into the universe with no training in a sort of "sink of swim" manner or do they receive training from other established chapters? It is my belief that new chapters must receive some form of training or mentorship from more established chapters if they are to have any chances of survival. You wouldn't throw an entire regiment of green recruits at an Ork waaaagh, no matter how well equipped or genetically modified, and expect any of them to survive. So my question is this, if new chapters are taken under the wing of more experienced chapters for a short period of time after their initial founding is it then possible for traits to be passed on from one chapter to another even if said chapter usually could not have successor chapters due to some instability in their geneseed. For example, while the Space Wolves have no known successful successor chapter, couldn't they take a newly formed chapter under their wings and then have that chapter pick up their traits as a student picks up his masters?
Well, I'm currently reading William King's Space Wolf Omnibus and I have to disagree with the information coming from the gene-seed. According these novels Space Wolves initiates are educated using a logic machine to basically dowload information straight into their brain. However, the novel makes a clear distinction between having the knowledge and knowing how to use it. Kind of like reading how to do something in a book is much different then actually doing it in real life. Also, most chapters have a kind of ascension program where marines will start off as scouts and then as they become proficient upgrade to other roles such as devestator, assault, or tactical marines and always under the watchful eye of a veteran sargeant. So when a new chapter is founded wouldn't all of their members be the equivalent of scouts? How then do they gain the battlefield knowledge to advance to new ranks when there are no veteran sargeants to train them? My suggestion is that they are mentored by a near by established chapter for a short period of time, say 50-100 years before they are truely independent. This might allow for the transfer of some traits from the mentors to the mentees.
Yes, this is how it works. Part of the High Lords' founding declarations is to name the Chapters (or even specific Marines) that will provide the first generation of officers and instructors. This rewards the most loyal Chapters and keeps Primarch-centric traditions alive while also allowing for the subtle shifts in strategy and philosophy that distinguishes one Chapter from another.It is my belief that new chapters must receive some form of training or mentorship from more established chapters if they are to have any chances of survival.
One could base a lot of his Chapter fluff on who the direct 'parent' is, plus the first Chapter Master's philosophy. For example, I have a DIY Chapter in the works that is Ultramarine by way of Marines Malevolent, and combines MM's ruthlessness with an emphasis on space/suborbital operations. You could do the same.
It's worth noting that the Mentors Chapter sort of specializes in developing training doctrine and methods. You can also read the first Soul Drinkers book to see the sort of impact a philosopher-Marine can have, given the opportunity.
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You would think then, if that is the case, that they would mainly inherit the tactics of the mentor chapter. So if for example a chapter was mentored by Space Wolves, they would be inclined themselves to be codex-deviant and possibly close combat based. I don't know whether it would be fair to say they would actually inherit elements of the gene-seed of the mentor chapter, but it's possible.
There is actually an entire chapter, called the Mentors, that revolves around training other Space Marines how to be better Space Marines. They're split into tiny five-man squads, or even single-man units, and attached to new, unweathered Chapters to ease them into the process of being pan-galactic god-warriors. They spend their time (when not fighting or teaching) studying the most successful Chapters to find out why they're so successful, and identifying flaws in renegade or extinct chapters that led to their decline.
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As for fluff basis for original Marine training, they had Auxiliaries and Scouts for the original Legions, which is where they learned most of their soldierly know-how. The book Fallen Angels also shows that many of the new initiates were trained in combat on their home planets before being shipped out to join their Legions, and most of the officers were said to be trained by their Primarchs. For example, Alpharius trained his officers so well that they didn't need him around to accomplish their missions.
So these mentor chapters would allow chapters who had an inherent flaws in their gene-seed to have the equivalent of successor chapters. For example, I am creating a DIY chapter based on the space wolves, using the space wolves codex. This is then possible if the space wolves, or in my case a great company of space wolves lost for centuries in the warp only to reappear near my newly formed chapter's home world, take them under their wing and teach them their ways.
Yes, I suppose you could describe them as successor chapters in a way. They won't have inherited the gene-seed flaws, but the line of thinking and the tactics will all have been taught to them by the mentor chapter, and chances are they'll inherit the same enemies and allies etc as well.
In fluff terms, it's as good a reason as any to justify using a codex when you're not playing that army.
But hold on: are you saying that the 13th company taught your chapter? Or a different Great company that was lost in the warp for centuries?
A different company. One lost during a great hunt or simply caught in the warp when the attempted a warp jump. According to the second space wolves omnibus the 13th company is in the eye of terror doing hit and run attacks against the thousand sons.