What Are Hruds?

[rhammi]

It would be crazy to see an army though that would outnumber both the imperial guard and the orks. I feel like it may not work at all to have an army like that. SO many units that the front lines are easily and constantly mowed down. So even though the army is getting closer, it actually never does because the back lines just replace the fronts. Given purely the distances that guns shoot, the space models take up, and how much they can move in a turn, just doesnt work. I feel like either all the models would have to be on tiny bases or for them all to be in swarms as the standard 40mm bases with such weak units on them just could not work. Course I've never played WFB and obviously the skaven work so thats just my theoryhammer on it.

[Calixtus]

Your theoryhammer is flawed for two reasons. First, Goblins and Skavens cost even less than 3pts, with Goblins being 2.5pts in fact. Second, I made them so cheap at 3pts, because they have to buy the ammunition for their guns for each shot, meaning that to shoot in 4 turns in 4 Shooting Phases, they would have to buy 4 Warplasma Shells as they are called. Warplasma Shell costs 1Pt, so each Hrud Greyfur actually costs around 10Pts. So the army is a lot smaller than you think right now. Of course its possible to simply use them as melee troops and ignore the fact that they got a gun. If that's the case, they would be a horde army that rivals that of the Orks and Tyranids!

[rhammi]

Ah got it. Must admit I hadn't read word for word the rules. And I looked but couldnt find an armory. When you put it that way they almost seem underpower in a sense. I feel like for 5 pts they should be fully equipped as normal. But I guess it's just different to see that radical a difference from the other armies, but maybe thats what needs to happen to make a new army different from the rest.

[Calixtus]

You are quite right, I made it different. But you got to remember, the Warplock Rifle is a Range 30" S5 AP3 Heavy 1 Blast weapon. They possess immense firepower, and it is the standard firearm! That means the basic troop of the Hruds can pierce through Marine armour and roll 3+ to-Wound Marine-level toughness. And Blast too! That is indeed scary so I made it a bit more expensive by having them purchase the ammunition separately.

Tell me if you need any more clarification on my rules. The weapon information is written below the statistics of the unit and above the Special Rules, so there is no need for an armoury.

[Kahoolin]

Originally Posted by The_Giant_Mantis

Since the problem is now a matter of determining validity between two books, both of which are of questionable relevance and can hardly be called the final word, I'm going to suggest that we just accept room to maneuver here.

See this is the problem all of you guys are up against here. You probably realize this of course, but in case anyone doesn't:

It's hard enough for a professional scifi/fantasy writer to maintain internal consistency in a novel where they have invented the setting themselves. It's impossible when the setting is a mash up based on a game written by a stack of different writers, some of whom are in fact game designers not novelists. Everyone is trying to follow orders but the fictional universe is already so big, convoluted and contradictory that there are many times when the writer is forced to rely on their own imagination and hope they don't mess the setting up too much.

This means that trying to discover "canon" in 40k is going to be pretty difficult. There have even been wildly different interpretations, each with as much authority as the others, of Space Marine background. And Space Marines are about as canon as you can get, bless 'em. You have no chance of successfully trying to discover what's canon with respect to something as fringe as the Hrud.

I think the best approach in this case is thepete's. At least by saying "nobody knows what they really look like" you manage to convert the clumsy, insoluble real-world contradictions into something that doesn't completely violate suspension of disbelief. 40k as a setting has grown too organically and has too many contradictions that can't be solved. It's erroneous to think that there is some sort of "true canon" answer out there to be discovered or argued into truth.

[Ravenscraig]

All,

Disappointingly, there continues to be too much negativity in this Thread. If posters are starting to feel that they are going to be hammered for posting something that someone doesn't agree with then the discussion environment has gone wrong somewhere. A healthy, robust debate is one thing, but singling out individuals for unhelpful criticism or continuing to insist that your own point of view is the (only) correct one is going too far. Please keep the discussion entirely civil from now on if you want it to continue and/or avoid infractions.

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~ Ravenscraig ~